What is my sin?

Sue I am very patient.

Just Please don't use your arguement that it is because its worldly. Because then I would have to say something like, everything is worldly.

Your clothes (in style or not..used or new), shoes, bed, hair brush, water, electric, car (old or new), your Sunday School Book, bar of soap, blankets, Your Job, Your pay check, tooth brush, purse, supper, fire wood, pancake turner, lunch box, hymnal, radio, pillow, your bicycle, computer, caculator, coffee or tea cup, A Good Cold Coke, ink pens, bird seed, phone, lawn mower, rake, bucket, tool box, shovel, camel hair coat, alarm clock..............

Sherrie

 

Ephesians 5:19
...speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord...

I am wondering something: if music is amoral, why did Paul have to specify that spiritual songs be sung?

Here are some basic questions you can use to evaluate music:

1. Do the words reflect good theology (most CCM songs are charismatic at best - which isn't saying much at all)? In light of this, you can reject most music that we have today.

2. Does the music reflect the attributes of God? In other words, it is supposed to be worship of him, not our "tastes". Does it reflect holiness, majesty, order, etc. God is not a God of chaos, ever.

 

Now you know Gods taste? And only hymns are from the Spirit? hmmmm.....

Please do not go into the Sensual thing either. Becauuse a Butterfinger candy bar looks pretty sensual to me right now.

Nope...I asked the Spirit...and so far it hasn't been a sin.

Sherrie

 

1. I remember saying that. It is in line... oh wait.

2. I am wondering what that has to do with this discussion. I assume nothing.

3. You asked the Spirit? How exactly did that discussion take place. Why would you ask God something when Scripture already gives you the guidelines? That in and of itself is sin.

I love it when people ask and then just argue and get emotional. Classic.

 

Ummmm....when did it become a sin to ask God anything. Thats part of your intimate relationship with Him. You can ask Him anything.

Me too!

Sherrie

 

not being "separated" enough, it would seem.....

 

As far as the question "What is my sin?" Anyone who thinks they have the right to answer that question for someone else is a fool. You want to know what your sin is?, ask the Lord.

I will once again make this point, and this time I hope someone gets it. If not, oh well, I'm not your mother.

What you feel or what you do determines whether something is a sin or not to you. Music in and of itself is inanimate. Just as a gun doesn't commit the sin of murder without it's human counterpart. You may be insighted to violence, immorality or some other sin from listening to some kinds of music, you may not.

I find it all too common for Christians to prefer a list of things to point outwardly at and cry "sin". But, man sins, innanimate objects can not. The responsibility for sin lies with each of us.

If you find that something causes you to sin, then you should avoid it, to keep from stumbling in your Christian walk. Likewise if something causes your brother in Christ to sin, you should also avoid it so they as the weaker Christian are not made to stumble by your actions.

Aaron- The verses I sited, as well as many others in the Bible are cohesive. They very certainly do go together.

In Christ,
Laurenda

 

When you ask God for something that is against his word, it is sin. That talk about intimacy doesn't mean anything when the issue is rebellion.

Also, I noticed that the criteria I listed for addressing music wasn't addressed. I am very surprised.

 

Laurenda, Romans 14 addresses those things which are disputable. Music is a form of language. Just as there are warnings in Scripture to avoid the wrong use of language, so it also applies to music.

A person may sincerely believe that God is honored by mindless rock, rap, and the rest. He isn't. It is sin to use it.

 

Travelsong, just becuase you are not given the answer than makes you able to smugly argue about, doesn't mean anyone is hiding.

You asked for our position. It has been given. Your ability to believe or not believe, agree or not agree is up to you.

Pretending the other side is a coward is poor conversation.

I could just as easily say you are hiding behind your own presuppositions, but I won't.

 

Then Preach The Word,

Stop saying anything other than a hymnal, is a sin. Stop saying musical instruments are a sin. Stop acting like a Know-it-all about everything. Stop acting like God handed down new commandments to you, to tell the rest of us what to do.

Stop acting like you are more spirtual than anyone else.

Not one person has said what his sin is, for listening to other kinds of music, other than hymnal music.

Because NO man can determine another mans relationship with God.

No man can say that you cannot go to the Lord and ask questions, even if it was in the scriptures.

What you could have done is said you know in the Bible, it says blah blah, and so the next time you are doing something, concider this scripture. Now even if I do not agree about the scripture; I am more than sure you are doing that out of love, and care. But NOOOOOOOOOO, not you. Compassion, and love, and understanding and wisdom......those are the one things you just choose not to use it.

You said all along that musical styles that travelsong and a few others listen to were evil. So simply say what his sin is! Stop talking in circles.

Sherrie

 

Who said? Isn't this just your opinion. It is not doctrine.

Who said? Where is it written?

What is the sin? where is that written?

Sherrie

 

PTW, I respectfully disagree with you. I've read those same scriptures and find an alternative meaning in them than you do. I stand by what I previously posted.

Laurenda

 

1. I have never said that. Would you please provide the quote? Surely you did not intend to put words in my mouth.

2. I have never said that. Would you please provide the quote? Surely you did not intend to put words in my mouth.

3. I have never said that. Would you please provide the quote? Surely you did not intend to put words in my mouth.

4. I have the Scripture. If you do too, you can verify these things yourself. If you just want to rant and rave about my post, then I will bow out. If you want a reasonable discussion, please post like it.

5. I have never said that. Would you please provide the quote? Surely you did not intend to put words in my mouth.

6. The sin is listening to music that is outside of God-given parameters. They are there for all to see.

7. I cannot read hearts. I have never claimed such an ability. I can however examine words and actions according to Scripture and make a determination based on that.

8. To seek an answer apart from the revealed will of God is sin. I have no apology for such a statement.

Btw, I have no desire to coddle sin. Enough of that goes on here already. The question was asked and I gave an answer. If you don't like it, that is your choice. Your reaction to what I said is telling though.

Also, there are many hymns that I will never sing. Many of them have as bad a theology as CCM. Find a match, burn that strawman, and stop putting words in my mouth.

 

Sorry, but you can't back that up with Scriptures(unless you do the traditional legalist Scripture twisting). You don't have a clue as to what God is honored by or isn't honored by outside of what God tells us himself. So by making this statement you just shredded any credibility you had.

 

Sorry, but you can't back that up with Scriptures(unless you do the traditional legalist Scripture twisting). You don't have a clue as to what God is honored by or isn't honored by outside of what God tells us himself. So by making this statement you just shredded any credibility you had. </font>[/QUOTE]You cannot back up from Scripture what you just said. Therefore, all credibility you might have had is gone.

Do you see how fruitless such statements are? I could say that only a liberal, man-exhalting interpretation can okay CCM and other similar material. I won't say that though. It isn't profitable for discussion.

I have posted Scripture. I am sooo surprised that no one touched it though.

 

I will point out another inconsistency with the opposite viewpoint of mine.

Those who are more broad and general with their view of music, and like Laurenda, believe that it falls within Romans 14:5, you should consider yourself of the more mature position. Since you can, according to your view, understand music to be ammoral and okay in any form, you should be more tolerant of the weaker believer.

Here is the inconsistency. Instead of acting like the more mature Christian, those of the opposite viewpoint are blasted as legalists and selfrighteous. Is that Paul's instruction on how to address the weaker brothers? No, it isn't. The more mature is supposed to restrict their freedom and not flaunt it. Neither is happening. Further, the more mature should endure the immature until they have grown enough to understand the truth.

Apparently, all views are tolerated except the view that is intolerant thus making the original view guilty of that which it charges the other view of.

As to the other side, I have never said I am more mature than others. I have taken a position that says music is not a Romans 14 issue. Therefore, my saying the other side is wrong is not saying the other side is immature. I hope that is clear.

So if I say it is sin to listen to rock, rap, and the other mindless drivel, I am taking a position of black and white. The opposing side is taking a position of mature and immature. They are just entirely inconsistent with it. That is another reason why it is wrong.

Now, I suppose someone is saying that I cannot produce a scripture that says that listening to rock music is sin. I cannot find a scripture that explicitly says that it is sin to smoke dope either. Is anyone going to argue that it is okay based on that line of reasoning? I sure hope not, but we will see...

 

No, you lost your credibility by pretending to know the will of God from sources outside the Scripture. I did no such thing.

You mean your reference to Romans 14? It wasn't commented on because it didn't fit with the rest of your post.