What is open theism?

[jbh28]

Abraham would have killed his son....

Correct

but he wouldnt have as God knew his heart.

No, he would have because God knew his heart

He told him to stop else he would have killed his son...

correct

but he wouldnt have really killed his son...it was done in order to be recorded for our purpose. My head is spinning...

No, he would have killed his son. That's why God stopped him. Abraham demonstrated by doing all that he did that he would have done what was asked by the Lord to do. Of course God already knew this and that's why he planned to stop him.

 

[jbh28]

Folks, as you can see, the Closed Theists on this board have no scripture to support their view.

more lies.... sad

And even more lies by say we said that God lies. You posts are being reported because they have absolutely no reason to be on a Christian board.

 

[Siberian]

So God knew He would kill his son...told him to do it...yet knew he wouldnt ultimately do it and had to tell him to stop from doiing it?

Why not just admit the tension of finit beings not fully grasping how God deals, and chooses to deal with His creation?

God knew Abraham had committed to obey and kill his son. He also knew that he would stop him from doing so. I don't see a tension there.

However, I do admit the tension of finite beings not fully grasping how God deals, and chooses to deal with his creation. We should try though.

 

[webdog]

Folks, as you can see, the Closed Theists on this board have no scripture to support their view. They go back to the claim that "all knowing" means everything imaginable, yet do not address that Peter said Jesus was all knowing yet did not know the time of His return.
The claim is without foundation and so out comes the personal attack M.O, you are a blasphemer, and you should apologise for this or that. That is all they have folks, the same tired tricks of deception used over and over and no one holds them accountable.

Did you see all the vague general claims that this or that had been refuted? The refutation amounts to God did not mean what He said. That is it. A straightup denial of God's word.

When God says He remembers no more, the Closed Theists say He lied.

When God says Now I know, the Closed Theists say He lied.

Only folks who are seeking truth will listen to God. The rest will say God does not mean what He says if it contradicts their man-made doctrines. They offer pagan metaphysics, as proof of something not said in scripture and say something is so because scripture does not say it is not so. Pink elephants, folks, lots of pink elephants posing as scripture.

One of the hallmarks of the Reformed view is sole scripture, scripture alone, and yet they have abandoned scripture and embraced pagan metaphysics dressed up as biblically based reasoning. A sad day.

Seriously, you need to tone it down (and as you can see I sit on the same side of the fence as you)

 

[jbh28]

Seriously, you need to tone it down (and as you can see I sit on the same side of the fence as you)

And you demonstrate a Christlike character. That's appreciated. I with I would be more like this as I find my self failing. I think back to people like George Whitfield and John Wesley and how they were able to work together despite their very large differences.

 

[Siberian]

You are begging the question by assuming there is no tension. Of course I disagree and see this kind of tension throughout Scripture.

No I wouldn't agree that I am doing that. I am suggesting that there is no tension between God's testing and God's omniscience, and I've said why (because the testing is not to supply a lack in God's knowledge).

And I agree that we do disagree over that.

 

[Van]

Genesis 22:12 says that God said "Now I know" and so God did not know beforehand. To say that God really did know, and was just using a figure of speech, is simply to say God lied. Every scripture that says God does not know something is treated the same way by the Closed Theists, they blaspheme God and say He lied, He really knew this or that.

According to the closed theists, Jesus really did know the time of His return.

According to closed theists, God really knows our foregiven sins, for He remembers them.

According to closed theists, God really knew Abraham would not withhold his son, and just said "now I know" without meaning it.

On and on it goes folks. We have the Bible, verse after verse, and we have the nullification of the Closed Theists. I take God at His Word.

 

[TCGreek]

But revelation is not so closed.

 

[Iconoclast]

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Genesis 22:12 says that God said "Now I know" and so God did not know beforehand. To say that God really did know, and was just using a figure of speech, is simply to say God lied.

You need to repent.Because you cannot grasp truth...does not mean that you can deny the God of the bible. You do not have another point of view..you have out right denial of God's truth.




18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

 

[jbh28]

Genesis 22:12 says that God said "Now I know" and so God did not know beforehand. To say that God really did know, and was just using a figure of speech, is simply to say God lied. Every scripture that says God does not know something is treated the same way by the Closed Theists, they blaspheme God and say He lied, He really knew this or that.

You are reading something into the text. It doesn't say that God didn't have knowledge. You demonstrate a lack of understanding how language works. "now I know" because Abraham had no physically proven, not "now I know" because God didn't know what Abraham would do. Scripture over and over again says God knows everything but NEVER says something that God didn't know.

And we don't say that God lied. Please remove your slander. It is being reported again.

According to the closed theists, Jesus really did know the time of His return.

Not true, a lie against us.

According to closed theists, God really knows our foregiven[sic] sins, for He remembers them.

Already explained this to you.

According to closed theists, God really knew Abraham would not withhold his son, and just said "now I know" without meaning it.

Not true and a lie against us. And I say lie because we JUST said something totally different.

On and on it goes folks. We have the Bible, verse after verse, and we have the nullification of the Closed Theists. I take God at His Word.

No you don't. you haven't yet shown a passage. But there is no debating you. Every post you make that slanders us will be reported.

 

[Dr. Bob]

Think I will use a little Administrative prerogative and shut this thread down. Haven't seen this sort of sorry conduct in a while and it ought not to be allowed to continue. I know we're a couple pages short of the normal 10, but not sure we want to handle two more pages.