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What is PASC?

Baptist Believer

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Yes, this is one of the most serious parts of COVID-19 that is usually ignored by the folks who repeat the false "99.3% recovery rate" mantra that is so popular around here. They assume that the body is the same after COVID, and for about a third of patients, it is definitely not. I know several people who are suffering from post-COVID fatigue and/or lung capacity issues.
 

Van

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Yes, this is one of the most serious parts of COVID-19 that is usually ignored by the folks who repeat the false "99.3% recovery rate" mantra that is so popular around here. They assume that the body is the same after COVID, and for about a third of patients, it is definitely not. I know several people who are suffering from post-COVID fatigue and/or lung capacity issues.
And I know a young fellow who tested positive for Covid and never had any symptoms or ill effects.

OTOH, consider the number of people who were convinced not to get vaccinated, and subsequently died of Covid? How many of those people are there? Apparently by May or June pretty much all the people who want to be vaccinated, will have been vaccinated. So subsequent deaths from Covid among those not vaccinated by choice will be the responsibility of the fear mongers.
 

Wingman68

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And I know a young fellow who tested positive for Covid and never had any symptoms or ill effects.

OTOH, consider the number of people who were convinced not to get vaccinated, and subsequently died of Covid? How many of those people are there? Apparently by May or June pretty much all the people who want to be vaccinated, will have been vaccinated. So subsequent deaths from Covid among those not vaccinated by choice will be the responsibility of the fear mongers.
Good thing everything you will be allowed to hear about deaths following the vaccines will be in your favor. Good thing you have a crystal ball & can see that there will be no long term ill effects from the vaccine. Good for you. All of us ‘fear mongers’ still have the right to refuse the vaccine which I predict will be yet another freedom which will be taken. Just yesterday, in Michigan, Whitmer declared that any participants in sports in schools, MUST be vaccinated. So....first it will be your choice......don’t want it? Can’t play. Next it will be something like want groceries? Must be vaccinated to shop. See how this works?
 

Van

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Good thing everything you will be allowed to hear about deaths following the vaccines will be in your favor. Good thing you have a crystal ball & can see that there will be no long term ill effects from the vaccine. Good for you. All of us ‘fear mongers’ still have the right to refuse the vaccine which I predict will be yet another freedom which will be taken. Just yesterday, in Michigan, Whitmer declared that any participants in sports in schools, MUST be vaccinated. So....first it will be your choice......don’t want it? Can’t play. Next it will be something like want groceries? Must be vaccinated to shop. See how this works?

There are over 500,000 thousand examples of long term affects of not being vaccinated. I know a little about how fear mongering works. It is just another form of intimidation, do as I say or "something bad will happen."

It is just fine to believe folks should not be vaccinated, just do not present a false narrative to dupe others to agree.

Consider the number of people who were convinced not to get vaccinated, and subsequently died of Covid? How many of those people are there? Apparently by May or June pretty much all the people who want to be vaccinated, will have been vaccinated. So subsequent deaths from Covid among those not vaccinated by choice will be the responsibility of the fear mongers.
 

Wingman68

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There are over 500,000 thousand examples of long term affects of not being vaccinated. I know a little about how fear mongering works. It is just another form of intimidation, do as I say or "something bad will happen."

It is just fine to believe folks should not be vaccinated, just do not present a false narrative to dupe others to agree.

Consider the number of people who were convinced not to get vaccinated, and subsequently died of Covid? How many of those people are there? Apparently by May or June pretty much all the people who want to be vaccinated, will have been vaccinated. So subsequent deaths from Covid among those not vaccinated by choice will be the responsibility of the fear mongers.
You are off the deep end. How long has the vaccine even been a available? And how many died of covid who willfully did not get vaccinated? I doubt if any stats could back you up there. How many died from covid who were fish in a nursing home barrel, being zapped to boost these covid death #’s? Who is really fear mongering??!!
 

Wingman68

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I didn’t really feel the need to share this, but I will. I believe I have ‘long covid’ right now. Been going on since about the 1st of Feb. I only experience gastrointestinal effects. One in six presents this way.
Went to my PC......got x-rays, extensive bloodwork, fecal. No covid test....they don’t do them there in a large medical facility...... told them I didn’t want or need a CT, but in a few days I get a registered letter that I could die if I didn’t get the CT, (who fear mongers for a profit? 4500 for a CT, nevermind the radiation you get to take home with you) so.......following their protocols I get the CT too & after about 8 grand worth of tests......nada. Good to go. Except I’m not.
I’ll be donating blood soon, won’t cost me a thing. They will then check for covid antibodies because if you have them, they’ll want your plasma donation too. People need to get real with the fact that the medical community & big pharma are businesses first. They want to help you just like the used car salesman also wants to help you, or any other business wants to help you. When I call the office & am put on hold, the recording says they are assisting other clients.....not patients.....clients.
 

Van

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You are off the deep end. How long has the vaccine even been a available? And how many died of covid who willfully did not get vaccinated? I doubt if any stats could back you up there. How many died from covid who were fish in a nursing home barrel, being zapped to boost these covid death #’s? Who is really fear mongering??!!
Are you suggesting more than 500,000 people did not die because they were not vaccinated?
If so, for you to say I am off the deep end is ludicrous.

Next, you seem to suggest I advocate putting those ill with Covid into nursing homes. This marks you, Sir, as a purveyor of falsehood.

Consider the number of people who were convinced not to get vaccinated, and subsequently died of Covid? How many of those people are there? Apparently by May or June pretty much all the people who want to be vaccinated, will have been vaccinated. So subsequent deaths from Covid among those not vaccinated by choice will be the responsibility of the fear mongers.
 

Wingman68

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Are you suggesting more than 500,000 people did not die because they were not vaccinated?
If so, for you to say I am off the deep end is ludicrous.

Next, you seem to suggest I advocate putting those ill with Covid into nursing homes. This marks you, Sir, as a purveyor of falsehood.

Consider the number of people who were convinced not to get vaccinated, and subsequently died of Covid? How many of those people are there? Apparently by May or June pretty much all the people who want to be vaccinated, will have been vaccinated. So subsequent deaths from Covid among those not vaccinated by choice will be the responsibility of the fear mongers.

I’ll waste five more minutes with you. I have no idea what you are trying to say. It’s like you’re talking in riddles or working on mysteries without any clues, or maybe just like talking to Joe Biden. OK, that was low, but amusing.

Second, I didn’t insinuate that you were good with the nursing home deaths. What I was saying is that they USED the lives of the elderly to foment the fear that was necessary in the populace to get away with the lock down of the country, which is what they did, & proceeded to use it to steal control, the presidency, & peoples basic rights.
 

rlvaughn

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It is just fine to believe folks should not be vaccinated, just do not present a false narrative to dupe others to agree.
Works both ways.
It is just fine to believe folks should be vaccinated, just do not present a false narrative to dupe others to agree.
...subsequent deaths from Covid among those not vaccinated by choice will be the responsibility of the fear mongers.
When I die, whatever I die from, I will not have been vaccinated for Covid. Has nothing to do with fear, and everything to do with choice. When I die, whatever I die from, it will have nothing to do with fearmongers on either side (pro or con vaccine).
 

Van

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I’ll waste five more minutes with you. I have no idea what you are trying to say. It’s like you’re talking in riddles or working on mysteries without any clues, or maybe just like talking to Joe Biden. OK, that was low, but amusing.

Second, I didn’t insinuate that you were good with the nursing home deaths. What I was saying is that they USED the lives of the elderly to foment the fear that was necessary in the populace to get away with the lock down of the country, which is what they did, & proceeded to use it to steal control, the presidency, & peoples basic rights.
First, you blather on, charging me with your behavior.
Second, you make no case for not getting vaccinated at the earliest opportunity.

More than 500,000 people have died, and if they had been vaccinated, more than 450,000 would not have died.
 

Van

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Works both ways. When I die, whatever I die from, I will not have been vaccinated for Covid. Has nothing to do with fear, and everything to do with choice. When I die, whatever I die from, it will have nothing to do with fearmongers on either side (pro or con vaccine).
This post does not address those that suggest others should not be vaccinated.
My view is that if a person's doctor recommends the vaccination for Covid, they should get vaccinated.
 

rlvaughn

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The post addresses what I intended to address. I don't tell anyone to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated.
 

Van

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The post addresses what I intended to address. I don't tell anyone to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated.
We witness to others both by what we do and what we say.
To suggest the case for getting vaccinated is a "false narrative" is irresponsible twaddle.
 

Roy

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For those who have long term effects of the Chinesee virus

What is PASC? Dr. Fauci announces study into "puzzling" COVID long haulers

In a White House press briefing on Wednesday, U.S. infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said the National Institute of Health (NIH) had been granted $1.15 billion in funding over the course of four years to look at PASC, how it affects the population, and how many people have it.

I wish we could track that money to see where it really goes.
 

OnlyaSinner

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More than 500,000 people have died, and if they had been vaccinated, more than 450,000 would not have died.

And how many of those even had the opportunity to be vaccinated? One could (incorrectly) conclude from above posts that you imply that refusing to be vaccinated has resulted in 450,000 needless deaths. I'm sure some deaths have, and will, occur among those unwilling to be vaccinated, but based partly on my experience and partly on the timing of vaccine roll-out, my wild guess is that at present less than 10,000 fatalities fit that refused-vaccine profile. Which is nearly 10k too many, of course.

I began trying to be vaccinated soon after our state expanded vaccinations beyond first responders and medical staff, to include 70+. I finally got my 1st Moderna shot on March 5 with the 2nd set for April 2, and according to medical folks the full effect of the vaccinations isn't until 14 days past shot #2. Many many others have yet to be included in vaccine availability - our state expanded to include 60+ (my young wife's 1st shot is set for 3/30) so a death of a 50-year-old here could not be laid to refusal (yet).
 

Wingman68

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I sure do. I encourage everyone to get vaccinated as soon as possible. That's what a pro-life person does.
There you go again, declaring, falsely, that’s what a pro-life person does. How about the pro-life person who objects because of the use of fetal tissue (aborted or otherwise) in the making of the vaccine? This ridiculous declaration of yours while you tacitly support the party of abortion, reminds me of when you said, with a straight face, that one could support the party.......and not support the plank.
 
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