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"Worship" - what is it, according to the Bible?
I don't know that "worship" is defined in scripture, but it is certainly described. It is not something we do for God... it is something we do in response to God's revelation."Worship" - what is it, according to the Bible?
What texts support the definition and/or description of worship? Why do we call what we do on Sundays "worship"? Is it biblically supported? And why do churches have a "worship" leader?
It's a misnomer. If a church has someone called a "worship leader" it's a sure sign the service will begin with interminable songs and lots of hand waving. A better title would be chaos leader.And why do churches have a "worship" leader?
It's a misnomer. If a church has someone called a "worship leader" it's a sure sign the service will begin with interminable songs and lots of hand waving. A better title would be chaos leader.
You are providing texts in your post (in spirit and truth). That's what I'm looking for. And I think that text is a good starting point. Obviously, when Jesus told the Samariatan woman that "those that worship the father must worship him in spirit and truth", he wasn't talking about the individual act of bowing down or kissing the hand of some dignitary. The woman had a place of worship in mind, "in this mountain", and, "in Jerusalem". So can we safely say that the text supports a form of corporate worship? Yet none of your definitions would support this.I am not sure what you mean by what texts support the definition. The Greek word means
1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
1) to the Jewish high priests
2) to God
3) to Christ
4) to heavenly beings
5) to demons
The question as to why we call what we do on Sunday is simply an expression for some and a miss-understanding to others as to the real meaning and some actually are worshipping. Unless we are doing this as God prescribed (in spirit and truth) He does not accept it. Keep in mind that there is both individual as well as corporate worship. However no matter which is being offered it still has to be done in spirit and truth or it is rejected.
As to a worship leader, not all churches has one. In those who do he/she would be expected in keeping the order of the worship on a particular tract or time as well as bring some type of spiritual involvement to the congregation in preperation for the message. Let's be honest we can be dead heads at times.
I tend to agree with this kind of statement. However, what biblical support do you and I have for this opinion? Singing and lifting of hands are in the Bible aren't they?It's a misnomer. If a church has someone called a "worship leader" it's a sure sign the service will begin with interminable songs and lots of hand waving. A better title would be chaos leader.
You are providing texts in your post (in spirit and truth). That's what I'm looking for. And I think that text is a good starting point. Obviously, when Jesus told the Samariatan woman that "those that worship the father must worship him in spirit and truth", he wasn't talking about the individual act of bowing down or kissing the hand of some dignitary. The woman had a place of worship in mind, "in this mountain", and, "in Jerusalem". So can we safely say that the text supports a form of corporate worship? Yet none of your definitions would support this.
In other words, if "worship" involves some sort of act of obesience such as falling prostrate, how many of our churches actually "worship" as a corporate body? By the way, Muslims critisize Christians on this issue - they insist that they practice the biblical form or worship due to their kneeling and bowing during prayer. Do they have a valid point?
Worship for me seems to be prayer and study of the Scriptures. Prayer of thanksgiving, or help and so on. I have never been able to spend much time in the Scriptures and not have to pray. Spending time with my Savior.
There are many passages in the Bible on worship, these are a few which have stood out in my mind over the years.
Gen. 22:5 "Then Abraham said to his young men, "Stay here with the donkey; I and the boy will go over there and worship and come again to you."
1 Sam. 15:25 "Now therefore, please pardon • my sin and return with me that I may worship the Lord."
Psalms 95:6 "Oh come, let us worship and bow down; let us kneel before the Lord, our Maker!
Matt. 2:11 "And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
Matt. 14:33 "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
It's a misnomer. If a church has someone called a "worship leader" it's a sure sign the service will begin with interminable songs and lots of hand waving. A better title would be chaos leader.
Why do you believe that?
The Biblical definition? To worship is to sit and listen to choirs or soloists sing songs by Fanny Crosby, Bill Gaither or some other old hymn (and by old, we mean written after 1900) :laugh:
It's a misnomer. If a church has someone called a "worship leader" it's a sure sign the service will begin with interminable songs and lots of hand waving. A better title would be chaos leader.