That theory is not biblical though!
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Notwhile in His Human flesh,m but now he is back to His glory status, so should be able to be everywhere!
But the very nature and one of the points of the Incarnation is that He appeared. As to how He saw Nathaniel, that could equally have been in the same way that Saul saw Ananias in Acts 9
Um...yes it is - read Phil 2:7 again!
On this we agree - but Steaver seems to think otherwise.
I am fully aware of that; however, my point stands that Protestants/ evangelicals have a major epistemological problem with this approach.
Not valid if one takes that to mean at any time Jesus ceased to be God or else lost His divine attributes while here on earth!
I believe many people miss the reality of what it means to declare (accurately) Jesus Christ in the flesh was fully man and fully God at the same time.
The Word became flesh. The Word did not cease to be God. All knowing and all seeing in Spirit, one with the Father and the Holy Ghost. He gave Himself physical restrictions, He could not or would not leave His earthly body until He decided it would be done. When He died, did He sleep in the grave? Why no, He was still God and He left the physical until He returned in the resurrection.
If one is going to preach "fully God and fully man" and correctly so, then stick with what that statement demands.
He did not at anytime cease to be God nor did He 'lose' His divine attributes, rather the passage makes clear that He laid them down (in the same way that He laid down His life for his sheep etc); that's why we sing worship songs like "You Laid Aside Your Majesty"
Well an attribute of God would be having the ability to see a person sitting under a tree without having physical eyes on that person. So do you have a list of what attributes Jesus laid aside and what ones he kept hold of?
Did the Berean's get reprimanded by Paul for the same approach?
Did Jesus reprimand the Pharisees and Saducees for demanding that their traditions dictate the understanding of God's word?
The Roman church leadership acts very much like the Pharisees and Saducees.
The problem is that you accept any kooky interpretation the Roman church leadership gives you without any critical questioning. That's just sad.
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
I believe this means : 24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
I believe this:
26For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
DEAD BODY. Go to cemetery, go to morgue, Dead Body is a real thing. It exists.
So does FAITH without SPIRIT.
14What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
Answer the man!
Can it?
The entire chapter is NO.
The entire chapter is geared towards a particular type of fool that is RAMPANT in the church:
20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Who is this? Who is this FOOL who says faith without works is useful?
The entire chapter was geared towards this error so well that MARTIN LUTHER who invented faith alone got rid of it from his bible. He spit on this scripture and insulted it.
Look you people say GOOD WORKS follows Faith. Well in Romans 3 the "GOOD WORKS" in question is CIRCUMCISION.
So now that YOU are faithful, All of you are now circumcised RIGHT?
Well, for example, initially, when He was an infant, His ability to speak.
[cp: reply to Steaver re Divine attributes]
[cp: reply to Steaver re Divine attributes]
The Bereans are interesting, as is the Ethiopian eunuch: both were searching the Scriptures but both needed the Scriptures opened to them through the preaching of someone who was already established and recognised within the Church. They didn't come to Christ on their own but were led, using the Scriptures and an approved teacher, to Him.
That is correct! Just saying you have faith does not save. True faith is evident by good works. You get confused thinking the works are part of the saving. Paul makes it clear you are saved by faith, not works, but you are saved unto good works, which the true believer will have.
You just have to understand how to keep the horse before the cart and not mix up the two.
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them." (Eph 2:8-10)
Perfect harmony with James. But your interpretation of James destroys Paul's declarations on saved by faith not of yourselves, not of works.
That's a physical, would be part of the fully human part.
Do you really need a lesson on what Paul had to say about circumcision and it's purpose for the Jew? Christians live by the Spirit, circumcision of the heart. you should know this.
There were many false teachers that came. Jesus tells us that wolves will come among His chosen flock. The pope is a wolf. You have to be like a Berean to recognize his false teachings. Why do you follow those who don't follow the Bible, but make up traditions to weigh you down?
I'm afraid you do error, faith alone is God's plan, not Luther's. Lol.
Do a study on God's promise to Abraham. Children of the Promise. It's not Children of good works.
I'm not sure that there is merit in seeking to separate the physical, emotional and psychological etc parts of Christ's nature in that way.
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