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What is the name of the son per Matt 28:19?

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Can anyone tell me what the name of the son is specifically in this verse?...


19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Thank you.
 

atpollard

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Ἰησοῦν (in Greek)

יְהוֹשׁוּעַ
(in Hebrew)

Yeshua/Jesus
(transliterated into English)
 
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Since you suggest that you are a perfect teacher or nearly perfect, why don't you answer your own question?
Not perfect, but complete.

I am about as perfect doctrinally as one can get.

I can show you several doctrinal errors you believe in that you unwittingly inherited from the RCC if you are willing to let me.

I can also show you that you teach replacement theology unwittingly.
 

Logos1560

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I am about as perfect doctrinally as one can get.

I can show you several doctrinal errors you believe in that you unwittingly inherited from the RCC if you are willing to let me.

I can also show you that you teach replacement theology unwittingly.

Did you unwittingly inherit your KJV-only teaching from the RCC's Latin-Vulgate-only teaching in the 1500's since KJV-only reasoning relies upon some of the same warmed-over claims or arguments that Roman Catholics used in the 1500's for their Latin-Vulgate-only claims?

Your human, non-scriptural KJV-only reasoning/teaching shows that you are not near as perfect doctrinally as you claim that you are.
 

atpollard

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Why did Peter baptize in the name of Jesus(only) per Acts 2:38 if the son's name is Yeshua also??
Peter probably baptized in the name of
יְהוֹשׁוּעַ

He was Jewish, in Jerusalem and dealing with a Jewish audience ... so I am just guessing that they probably spoke Hebrew rather than English. Greek and Aramaic are also possibilities, but I am sticking with Hebrew as MY best guess.

His name isn't "Jesus" or "Yeshua". Both are English versions of his name in another language. "Yeshua" is transliterated (replacing the letters to approximate the sound) from Hebrew to English. Jesus is transliterated from Greek (but might have been transliterated from Greek to Latin first ... I forget the details) into English.

The point is that we are not reciting a magical incantation where the power is in the secret words. The power to transform hearts and lives rests in the PERSONS themselves ... The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit ... working together to accomplish a unified plan with a common goal ... (our good and God's glory).
 

Salty

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Not perfect, but complete.

I am about as perfect doctrinally as one can get.

I can show you several doctrinal errors you believe in that you unwittingly inherited from the RCC if you are willing to let me.

I can also show you that you teach replacement theology unwittingly.


First - give us a link to that Ten-hour Bible course you took,
then we will consider if it will be worth it.
 

Truther

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Peter probably baptized in the name of
יְהוֹשׁוּעַ

He was Jewish, in Jerusalem and dealing with a Jewish audience ... so I am just guessing that they probably spoke Hebrew rather than English. Greek and Aramaic are also possibilities, but I am sticking with Hebrew as MY best guess.

His name isn't "Jesus" or "Yeshua". Both are English versions of his name in another language. "Yeshua" is transliterated (replacing the letters to approximate the sound) from Hebrew to English. Jesus is transliterated from Greek (but might have been transliterated from Greek to Latin first ... I forget the details) into English.

The point is that we are not reciting a magical incantation where the power is in the secret words. The power to transform hearts and lives rests in the PERSONS themselves ... The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit ... working together to accomplish a unified plan with a common goal ... (our good and God's glory).
The name of Jesus spoken at baptism is magic?

That makes Peter etc., warlocks.
 

JonC

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I think this thread is missing the bigger picture. We can argue which language should be used (Hebrew, Greek, English). Scripture changes usages often (Messiah for the Hebrew title, Christ for the Greek).

But the more important thing is what was meant by "in the name of"?
 

atpollard

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I think this thread is missing the bigger picture. We can argue which language should be used (Hebrew, Greek, English). Scripture changes usages often (Messiah for the Hebrew title, Christ for the Greek).

But the more important thing is what was meant by "in the name of"?
Doesn’t that refer to “by the authority of”?

In Commercial Land Development, I often have a contract or an affidavit that grants me the authority to sign documents or speak at public hearings “in the name of” some multi-million dollar corporation (Like a Hotel Chain). When I sign a form agreeing to permit conditions, the Corporation stands behind my signature because I am not signing for me … I am representing them and exercising their authority.

Our salvation acts (baptism) are performed as directed by God in the name of God exercising the authority of God … so that by HIS authority, our sins are forgiven.

This only “The Church” (body of Christ) can legitimately baptize (exercise the authority of God).
 

JonC

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Doesn’t that refer to “by the authority of”?

In Commercial Land Development, I often have a contract or an affidavit that grants me the authority to sign documents or speak at public hearings “in the name of” some multi-million dollar corporation (Like a Hotel Chain). When I sign a form agreeing to permit conditions, the Corporation stands behind my signature because I am not signing for me … I am representing them and exercising their authority.

Our salvation acts (baptism) are performed as directed by God in the name of God exercising the authority of God … so that by HIS authority, our sins are forgiven.

This only “The Church” (body of Christ) can legitimately baptize (exercise the authority of God).
I believe mostly "in the name of" means in accord with His nature. We even use it that way sometimes (tarnishing the family name).

But yea, this is in His authority as well.
 

Salty

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as far as your intro video
it is just a small start
How about a link to the individual giving the speech
How about a link to the organization that he works for, ect
 

atpollard

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as far as your intro video
it is just a small start
How about a link to the individual giving the speech
How about a link to the organization that he works for, ect
Maybe it’s just me, but I preferred “What’s in the Bible with Buck Denver” (by Phil Vischer)

 

37818

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Matthew 28:19, ". . . Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: . . .". What Name do they have in common?

John 10:25, ". . . Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. . . ."

John,12:28, ". . . Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. . . ."
 

Truther

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Read my post again. You got it backwards.
I have heard folks that disobey Acts 2:38 say that using the name of Jesus Christ during baptism for the remission of sins is a magical formula.

Do you also agree with them?

Or, do you say "Jesus" as you baptize folks?
 

Truther

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Trying to hunt this down. This may not be the source web site. But . . .
https://www.bestbiblecommentaries.com/
I am not into commentary anymore.

As a matter of fact, I insist on others' reading all the scriptures for the group as I teach. I simply narrate and steer the group from page to page, not saying very much as my technique. People get alot more as they do all the scripture reading and "teach us all" as they read the Bible. I don't even need to study.

This technique allows the teacher to come home from work and go straight to the home, prison or church to teach.

The student is teaching and coaching the teacher as he is reading, unwittingly.
 
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