What is the name of the son per Matt 28:19?

[Truther]

If a baptizer is verbally saying "I baptize you in the name of the son", is he...

A...lying?

B...telling the truth?

 

[Truther]

That is: your interpenetration of Scripture and your qualifications have not shown to be very worthy

Only PHD's apply?

 

[37818]

Okay, so it can also say this?...

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of YHWH, and of the Holy Ghost:

No. ". . . of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: . . ." Not " of YHWH and of YHWH and of YHWH . . . ." Mark 12:29, Deuteronomy 6:4, ". . . The LORD our God is one LORD: . . ." Matthew 1:21, ". . . thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. . . ." Matthew 1:23, ". . . and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. . . ." John 1:1-3, ". . . the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God . All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. . . ." John 1:14, " . . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, . . .". John 1:10, ". . . He was in the world, and the world was made by him, . . ."

 

[atpollard]

I believe mostly "in the name of" means in accord with His nature. We even use it that way sometimes (tarnishing the family name).

How can WE baptize in accordance with GOD’s nature?
There is a big gulf between us and God (crossed by Jesus who had both natures - God and man). We have water and symbolism, but God has Spirit and power. In what sense is our “baptism” in accordance with the Godhead nature?

(Just tired of Truther nonsense and asking “where’s the beef” in this subject?)

 

[Truther]

No. ". . . of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: . . ." Not " of YHWH and of YHWH and of YHWH . . . ." Mark 12:29, Deuteronomy 6:4, ". . . The LORD our God is one LORD: . . ." Matthew 1:21, ". . . thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. . . ." Matthew 1:23, ". . . and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. . . ." ,John 1:1-3, ". . .
the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God . All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. . . ." John 1:14, " . . . And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, . . .". John 1:10, ". . . He was in the world, and the world was made by him, . . ."

Praise God, so you are saying the name of the son per Matt 28:19 is Jesus?

 

[Truther]

How can WE baptize in accordance with GOD’s nature?
There is a big gulf between us and God (crossed by Jesus who had both natures - God and man). We have water and symbolism, but God has Spirit and power. In what sense is our “baptism” in accordance with the Godhead nature?

(Just tired of Truther nonsense and asking “where’s the beef” in this subject?)

The divine nature of God that Jesus had was the Father's nature inside of him...


4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit...

 

[37818]

New If a baptizer is verbally saying "I baptize you in the name of the son", is he...

A...lying?

". . . of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: . . ." -- per Matthew 28:19.

 

[Truther]

". . . of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit: . . ." -- per Matthew 28:19.

If the baptizer says "son" and not the actual name of the son, is he lying?

 

[37818]

Praise God, so you are saying the name of the son per Matt 28:19 is Jesus?

The Name singular of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. The Father's name is not Jesus and the Spirit's name is not Jesus.

 

[JonC]

How can WE baptize in accordance with GOD’s nature?
There is a big gulf between us and God (crossed by Jesus who had both natures - God and man). We have water and symbolism, but God has Spirit and power. In what sense is our “baptism” in accordance with the Godhead nature?

(Just tired of Truther nonsense and asking “where’s the beef” in this subject?)

Sorry, I should have clarified.

We baptize by the authority of Christ (by His name).

We are baptized in His nature, in His image, into His death and resurrection.

 

[Truther]

The Name singular of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. The Father's name is not Jesus and the Spirit's name is not Jesus.

The question is what the son's actual name is that Jesus instructed them to baptize in the name of.

We can deal with the others' name whenever we finally figure out what the son's name is first.

 

[Truther]

Sorry, I should have clarified.

We baptize by the authority of Christ (by His name).

We are baptized in His nature, in His image, into His death and resurrection.

If I may, must the name of Jesus be spoken to acquire authority in his name?

Or, can we do words/deeds in the name of Jesus without mentioning it?

 

[37818]

If the baptizer says "son" and not the actual name of the son, is he lying?

Matthew 28:19 doesn't say merely, " in the name of the Son." But in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Truther]

Matthew 28:19 doesn't say merely, " in the name of the Son." But in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

I agree.

I propose we use this thread to find out what the singular name of Father, son and Holy Ghost actually is.

 

[37818]

The question is what the son's actual name is that Jesus instructed them to baptize in the name of.

We can deal with the others' name whenever we finally figure out what the son's name is first.

Jesus didn't say in the names of. What you haven't figured out is saying "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" is immersing in the name of Jesus per Matthew 28:19!

 

[JonC]

If I may, must the name of Jesus be spoken to acquire authority in his name?

Or, can we do words/deeds in the name of Jesus without mentioning it?

The words do not need to be spoken.

Paul was saying whatever we do (whether in word or action) do it in the name of Christ.

Colossians 3:16–17 Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.

 

[37818]

So it can also say this?...

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the GOD Christ Jesus;

No. 2 John 1:9.

 

[Truther]

Jesus didn't say in the names of. What you haven't figured out is saying "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" is immersing in the name of Jesus per Matthew 28:19!

Yes, so the first clue to the lone name of Matt 28:19 is, to find out what the name of the son is.

 

[Truther]

The words do not need to be spoken.

Paul was saying whatever we do (whether in word or action) do it in the name of Christ.

Colossians 3:16–17 Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.

So, all words and deeds are merely subject to thinking the name of Jesus without saying it?

Like, casting out devils or healing the sick in the name of ...."thinking the name"...., without saying it verbally?

 

[Truther]

No. 2 John 1:9.

The actual doctrine of Christ is God inside the man Christ Jesus.