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What is the Object of Our Faith?

37818

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The gospel is what it means to believe Jesus is the Christ.
1 John 5:1, Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . .
 

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Be specific. In your opinion, what is required for one to know in order to escape 'eternal damnation'? The bare minimum.
That they are a hell bound sinner, woefully fallen short of God's glory apart from the forgiveness found in the Person and work of Jesus Christ.
 

JesusFan

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Let's look at this again...

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (KJV) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Can you really separate the Gospel from Jesus?
The gospel message explains to us what Jesus did and still directs us to place saving faith unto Him, as he is the source of eternal life
 

kyredneck

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That they are a hell bound sinner, woefully fallen short of God's glory apart from the forgiveness found in the Person and work of Jesus Christ.

So that’s the good news? Telling folks they’re going to hell unless?

Will folks go to hell if you fail to warn them of this?
 
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So that’s the good news? Telling folks they’re going to hell unless?

Will folks go to hell if you fail to warn them of this?
Romans chapters one through three, especially Rom 3:21-26

Romans 3:21-26 (KJV) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Doesn't sound like hell, fire and brimstone preaching to me
 

kyredneck

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Romans chapters one through three, especially Rom 3:21-26

Romans 3:21-26 (KJV) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Doesn't sound like hell, fire and brimstone preaching to me

Is this the ‘bare minimum’ one must believe in order to avoid eternal damnation?
 

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Is this the ‘bare minimum’ one must believe in order to avoid eternal damnation?
That's actually the gospel explained (Rom. 1-3), the bare minimum would be ...

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (KJV) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Anything else would be nitpicking.
 

kyredneck

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That's actually the gospel explained (Rom. 1-3), the bare minimum would be ...

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (KJV) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Anything else would be nitpicking.

K. So that’s the ‘formula’ whereby one can be saved from eternal torment. There’s other ‘formulas’ in the scriptures that iinclude water baptism and verbal confession in order to be ‘saved’. Why exclude those?
 

37818

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Romans chapters one through three, especially Rom 3:21-26

Romans 3:21-26 (KJV) But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Doesn't sound like hell, fire and brimstone preaching to me
? Romans 3:23, . . . come short of the glory of God; . . .
 

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K. So that’s the ‘formula’ whereby one can be saved from eternal torment. There’s other ‘formulas’ in the scriptures that iinclude water baptism and verbal confession in order to be ‘saved’. Why exclude those?
Any other 'formula' would include the Gospel.

Galatians 1:8-9 KJV
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [9] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Any other Gospel would incur damnation.
It's really not rocket science.
 

kyredneck

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It's really not rocket science.

If we're talking about what one must believe and do in order to avoid infinity in a torture chamber, the 'formula' better be precise as 'rocket science'.

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He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that disbelieveth shall be condemned. Mk 16

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And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

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For to you is the promise, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call unto him.

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And with many other words he testified, and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this crooked generation. Acts 2

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which also after a true likeness doth now save you, even baptism, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the interrogation of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ; 1 Pet 3

Why are you omitting the necessity of baptism from your formula to be 'saved from eternal damnation'?
 

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If we're talking about what one must believe and do in order to avoid infinity in a torture chamber, the 'formula' better be precise as 'rocket science'.
It's not a formula that saves, it's a Person.
Acts 16:30-31 KJV
And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? [31] And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Adding baptism as a necessity would be like adding circumcision, the error of the Galatians. We can't add to the work Christ has done.
 

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Within the context of the passage, what does that mean? To believe in vain?
Paul seems to take up a new thought in verse 1 so there is very little context. This we know, there is no mention of baptism is in the whole chapter except v.29 where the false practice of baptizing for the dead. (Do you hold to that?)

To 'believe in vain' is not to keep in memory what Paul preached to the Corinthians

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; [2] By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. [3] For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; [4] And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

By Gospel I mean, 'that which God does for us on account of the work Jesus has done on our behalf'; such as the baptism where we are placed into Christ (Rom 6:4).
By law I mean, 'that which man is commanded to do' such as water baptism. So I don't consider water baptism as part of the Gospel.
 

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? Romans 3:23, . . . come short of the glory of God; . . .
Let me take another stab at this...
Romans 3:23 KJV
[23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Chapters 1-3 conclude ALL (Jew & Gentile) under sin, and the Gospel leaves only Jesus as the just and righteous ONE (Rom 3:22,26)
 
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