What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?

Is Jesus still LORD of the Sabbath, and if so, what specific day is that within the 7 day cycle He created from Genesis?

Yes, Jesus the Head, fulfilled the Law. What then of His body, that was to be prepared [first the natural, then the spiritual, 1 Corinthians 15:46 KJB]?

Romans 8:4 KJB - That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.​

Two witnesses, not one.

Jesus is the perfect seed. That seed died. It was to produce a harvest after the manner of the seed in its "kind" [the law of Genesis] - perfect.

1 Corinthians 15:36 KJB - Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:​

If Jesus cannot produce such a harvest:

Revelation 14:12 KJB - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.​

What then does that say about the "seed"?

Satan still has an argument against God [for he asks, how do we know that the "seed" was perfect and that it con produce what it is supposed to?], and God is proving him wrong [therefore time was needed to demonstrate the Firstfruits and the Great Harvest that were bought and brought back into the perfect will of God], through His people, for the "seed" planted into the heart soil of man, will produce Eden once more [internally first, and afterwards externally] ...

Jesus, as a father, lived that example of perfect obedience, even unto death. What then of His children who have the same sinful fallen flesh as he had taken upon himself? What excuse is there for sin? There is none. As Jesus lived by every word of God [the Father], by the Holy Spirit, so can we live by every word of Jesus, again by the same Holy Spirit.

God's redemption of mankind is not in part, but in wholeness.

 

If he became another man, the old man would have been dead and he converted from the inside out by the act of God's rebirth. The Holy Spirit worked in and through the OT saints, even nonbelievers, even an ass, this is not proof of being born-again, unless of course you believe the ass was reborn.

 

No, scripture says that those who have salvation, are obedient:

1 John 3:4 KJB - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

When did John write this? is it still sin to trangress God's Law then, yes or no?​

1 John 3:5 KJB - And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.​

And that those who disobey [knowingly] have never seen Him:

1 John 3:6 KJB - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
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Therefore, do not be deceived:

1 John 3:7 KJB - Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

1 John 3:8 KJB - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 3:9 KJB - Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 3:10 KJB - In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.​

 

Bob , I am quoting your site, the Wikipedia site which you admit you contributed,'

How can you deny any of these teachings for SDA?


Both SDA and JW picked the wrong date.
Are you part of the 144,000 you share with JW teachings?

The verses you share have nothing to do with the points you try to make?

So we have to try and asked where you will not evade and change the subject.

Is Jesus Christ equal to GOD? Is the Holy Spirit God? Was Jesus created?

See if you can answer any of these questions?

 

In your view, the power of God's Grace is not sufficient to keep His child saved, since we know that we still sin every day, all will be lost. Unless you know of a person who is in obedience to His perfect will?

 

That's right! This is the conclusion of their argument and they cannot see that Light.

 

Yes, for if you do not, you are in the camp of anti-Christ, as it is written:

1 John 4:3 KJB - And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.​

Not joking here, because to deny this, means you teach no victory over sin in the flesh you have, and Christ Jesus had something which you do not have, which means you teach living in sin, because you have excuse, your flesh is different that what Christ Jesus had ...

The "Flesh" of Christ Jesus Subpoint:

Hebrews 2:16 - For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.​

The question then is, what kind of nature do unfallen [ooops, I gave it away] Heavenly Angels have, as opposed to every child of fallen Adam, and since Jesus did not take on that nature of Heavenly angels, that only leaves the other.

Romans 1:3 - Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;​

If it were not so, Jesus could never have "condemned sin in the flesh", being His flesh that He took upon Himself.

Romans 8:3 - For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [for "likeness" see Philippians 2:7; Romans 6:5]​

It really is simple, eh?

1 Peter 4:1 - Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Hebrews 2:17 - Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

Galatians 4:4 - But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

That "law", is refernce to the law of heredity, the law of "kind" from Genesis, and in 1 Corinthians 15, flesh begets flesh:

John 3:6 KJB - That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
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Jesus was born of the same fallen sinful flesh and heritage of flesh as Mary, but also born of the pure and Holy Spirit:

Luke 1:35 KJB - And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.​

Romans 5:19 - For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.​

Because Christ Jesus was victorious in the same "flesh", so too can we, by the Holy Spirit, and "overcome" "even as" He "overcame" (Revelation 3:21)

The lineage of Jesus given in both Matthew 1:1-18; "son of David, the son of Abraham" and Luke 3:23-38; "[son of] Adam", etc, see his ancestors. Jesus temptations were far greater than we will ever have to know because of who He is.

How many sons of Adam were born from Adam after His sin? All of them. Jesus, being born of Mary [Matthew 1:16], who was of the line, the seed according to the flesh, of David, sinful, though His spirit was Holy - Divinity and Humanity.

David acknowledges his heritage in the Psalms 51, and Jesus is called the "son of David", the "son of Abraham".

To be born with sinful flesh is not to be born a transgressor/sinner. The scripture teaches that to [commit] sin [of commission or omission] is to be a transgressor [of the Law], not simply being born with sinful flesh.

The "flesh" [sarx]:

"And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..." [John 1:14]

"GOD manifest in the flesh" [1 Timothy 3:16],

"the LORD from Heaven" [1 Corinthians 15:47],

"But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law" [Galatians 4:4],

"made of the seed of David according to the flesh" [Romans 1:3],

"...to every seed his own body..." [1 Corinthians 15:38],

"...of the fruit of his [David's] loins, according to the flesh..." [Acts 2:30]

of the "seed of Abraham" [Hebrews 2:16],​

even "as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same" [Hebrews 2:14] [what flesh are we born with, that He partook of then, what blood?]

and "in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren" [Hebrews 2:17],

that we might have "...known Christ after the flesh..." [2 Corinthians 5:16],

and scripture giving us the family line and genealogy of that very flesh [sarx] and blood nature He took upon Himself [Matthew 1:1-25; Luke 3:23-38]

the "[the son] of Adam" [Luke 3:38]

as it is said, "made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" [Philippians 2:7], [word "servant" is actually "slave", this makes a difference in the matter of the fleshly nature]

and "...in the days of His flesh..." [Hebrews 5:7],

"was in all points tempted like as [we are yet] without sin" [Hebrews 4:15],

and in His death it is written, "...my flesh shall rest in hope..." [Acts 2:26], and

"...his [being/person] was not left in the grave, neither his flesh did see corruption..." [Acts 2:31] because He was/is...

...and thereby, in the same likeness of sinful flesh as we, yet living without sin, never having sinned, never once transgressed the Holy Law of God; Jesus showed that with God there is no excuse for sin and thus

"...condemned sin in the flesh." [Romans 8:3];

"...having crucified the flesh..." [Galatians 5:24],​

and "...nailing it to His cross." [Colossians 2:4],

"Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh..." [1 Peter 4:1];​

even "...being put to death in the flesh..." [1 Peter 3:18],

and we are to be "...crucified with Christ..." [Galatians 5:24],

"In the body of His flesh through death..." [Colossians 1:22],​

become dead to the penalty of the Law, the 2nd Death, "...by the body of Christ..." [Romans 7:4],

that we might be "...members of His body, and of His flesh, and of His bones." [Ephesians 5:30],

by a "...new and living way, which He hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, His flesh;" [Hebrews 10:20]

so that we may know this, "...Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin." [Romans 6:6]

"Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:" [Hebrews 10:5]

How so? Look at the lineage from Genesis ... now look from natural to spiritual bodies ...​

"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed." [1 Peter 2:24]

"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once [for all]." [Hebrews 10:10]​

Therefore, we have this hope, "Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." [Philippians 3:21]

Therefore, it is very important to understand with what flesh Jesus came, not only to the Everlasting Gospel [Genesis 3:15; Revelation 14:6-7, etc], and how Christ Jesus is to save us from sin [Matthew 1:21; not in it] and to redeem us unto God, it is written,

"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:" [1 John 4:2]​

What flesh is John speaking about? The very likeness of sinful flesh we have, of the race of Adam, for he says, "...our hands have handled, of the Word of life." [1 John 1:1]

And it is written of those which refuse this, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world." [1 John 4:3]

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." [2 John 1:7]​

And who teaches that Jesus did not come in that sinful flesh?

Roman Catholicism, that Mother of Harlots (as she identifies herself in her own writing "Mother of all the churches" and "Mistress", even "Casta Meretrix)), through its Immaculate Conception of Mary Dogma...

...and also her daughters [Apostate Protestantism], which removes from Jesus that flesh nonetheless, even as do the Jehovah's Witnesses [etc] do...

...there are many "...not discerning the Lord's body." [1 Corinthians 11:29]

Please read Romans 5 carefully and prayerfully, and especially see Romans 5:19, for we must overcome even as He overcame in the flesh.

 

That was not my argument from scripture [KJB], if you read more carefully.

 

It is not the grace of God that is in the question. The "if" is in the believer. Salvation/redemption is co-operative. "... saved by grace through faith ...", for "... who hath believed ...", and "... whosoever believeth ...", "...abide...", "... unto the end ...", etc, etc.

2 Corinthians 12:9 KJB - And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

1 Corinthians 9:27 KJB - But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.​

God knows who is in obedience to His perfect will, and He has promised to produce such a people [for satan asks to justifiy himself and his disobedience, "Where are they who keep your Law?" and God answers]:

Revelation 14:12 KJB - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.​

But since you do not believe, you shall not enter in ... even as those in the wilderness past, for it was through unbelief that they failed attaining unto ...

Romans 9:32 KJB - Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Hebrews 3:12 KJB - Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.​

I am not omniscient, not even in regards my own heart, for God knows it perfectly, and I imperfectly. His judgment of me is true, for His word is truth. God is judge, He is righteous and there is no iniquity in Him.

 

Are you?
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I answered you, but blindness is over your eyes:

"... I am not omniscient, not even in regards my own heart, for God knows it perfectly, and I imperfectly. His judgment of me is true, for His word is truth. God is judge, He is righteous and there is no iniquity in Him. ..."

 

You come on here preaching God's perfect will needed for salvation and you don't even know what it is and if you are even doing God's perfect will? How is that instructive.

 

I guess just do what we feel is right and hope for the best!! Naw, SDA religion is not for me, I will place my trust in Jesus' perfect obedience to God as God said to do. Don't even know if you yourself are being obedient? That's some religion you got there.

 

That's what Romanism teaches ... anti-christian theology, which comes through their "Immaculate Conception" of Mary dogma. Others [WTS, JW] have similar theology without their defined dogma.