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What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?
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BobRyan
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The Experience of Salvation :: Seventh-day Adventist world church
And the benefits of the Gospel exactly what the New Covenant says they are... (for those who take the time to actually read the New Covenant this will not come as a surprise.)
Christ and Paul -- "tell the truth" as it turns out. (May come as a surprise to some folks)
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
As the published doctrinal statements of the seventh-day Adventist church states - we believe in the 1 Cor 12 list of spiritual gifts including the gift of prophecy and we believe Ellen White was an example of one person given that gift.
The Gift of Prophecy :: Seventh-day Adventist world church
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Where did you get the misunderstanding regarding those passages that you quoted, was that your understanding, or what Ellen White said?
And you claim that Sda teaches saved by grcae alone faith alone, what happens than to a saved Sda person who decides to not keep the Sabbath, to eat pork and ham, and who denies EW was an inspired prophetess of God?
"...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Could you point out where the servants faith is spoken of in Matthew 18?
BobRyan
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Christ is teaching in Matthew 18... is it your position that Christ was teaching false doctrine in Matthew 18?
And do you believe Paul teaches false doctrine in Romans 11??
BobRyan
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Thankfully I have no misunderstanding regarding these texts.
Christ and Paul -- "tell the truth" as it turns out. (May come as a surprise to some folks)
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Turns out... "Bible details matter" -- and you can't continually blame Ellen White for what you find in the Bible that goes against your deeply held preferences.
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BobRyan
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And we also teaching that we should not take God's name in vain.
This is the easy part.
Even your own Baptist Confession of Faith admits that we should not be at war against God's Ten Commandments.
Or decides to dishonor parents? Eph 6:2
Or decides to take God's name in vain? Ex 20:7
Or decides to covet? Romans 13
Or decides to lie? Romans 13
Seriously??
How about this - read your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" section 19 -- they also know that sin is not what saints are being called to engage in.
(Why do Baptists find themselves at odds with their own Baptist Confession of Faith so often on these boards?)
And we also teaching that we should not take God's name in vain.
This is the easy part.
Even your own Baptist Confession of Faith admits that we should not be at war against God's Ten Commandments.
Or decides to dishonor parents? Eph 6:2
Or decides to take God's name in vain? Ex 20:7
Or decides to covet? Romans 13
Or decides to lie? Romans 13
Seriously??
How about this - read your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" section 19 -- they also know that sin is not what saints are being called to engage in.
(Why do Baptists find themselves at odds with their own Baptist Confession of Faith so often on these boards?)
No and No....
Now back to my question.....
"...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Could you point out where the servants faith is spoken of in Matthew 18?
BobRyan
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Christ and Paul -- "tell the truth" as it turns out. (May come as a surprise to some folks)
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
That is really good to hear from you ... because for a minute there I thought you might be insinuating that you thought Christ was teaching false doctrine in Matthew 18
Are you wanting someone to defend Christ's teaching in Matthew 18??
Would you like another quote of the chapter where Peter asks about forgiving others and Christ tells him that as a forgiven saint - he is under obligation to forgive others just as God has fully forgiven him?
Because I really enjoy discussing that teaching of Christ
Do you know the difference between what is expected of one has has already been fully forgiven vs what it expected of the lost person?? (This will be interesting).
Which of the two scenarios is Christ addressing in Matthew 18 in your opinion?
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
That is really good to hear from you ... because for a minute there I thought you might be insinuating that you thought Christ was teaching false doctrine in Matthew 18
Are you wanting someone to defend Christ's teaching in Matthew 18??
Would you like another quote of the chapter where Peter asks about forgiving others and Christ tells him that as a forgiven saint - he is under obligation to forgive others just as God has fully forgiven him?
Because I really enjoy discussing that teaching of Christ
Do you know the difference between what is expected of one has has already been fully forgiven vs what it expected of the lost person?? (This will be interesting).
Which of the two scenarios is Christ addressing in Matthew 18 in your opinion?
Now back to my question.....
"...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Could you point out where the servants faith is spoken of in Matthew 18?
Now back to my question.....
"...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Could you point out where the servants faith is spoken of in Matthew 18?
Then maybe you could answer a simple question....
Now back to my question.....
"...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Could you point out where the servants faith is spoken of in Matthew 18?
Now back to my question.....
"...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Could you point out where the servants faith is spoken of in Matthew 18?
BobRyan
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Christ and Paul -- "tell the truth" as it turns out. (May come as a surprise to some folks)
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.?
Now back to my questions -
Are you wanting someone to defend Christ's teaching in Matthew 18??
Would you like another quote of the chapter where Peter asks about forgiving others and Christ tells him that as a forgiven saint - he is under obligation to forgive others just as God has fully forgiven him?
Because I really enjoy discussing that teaching of Christ
Do you know the difference between what is expected of one has has already been fully forgiven vs what it expected of the lost person?? (This will be interesting to see the many ways to avoid this question). Since it is the answer to your own question.
Does the servant in the story appear to try to pay back his debt after being told he is forgiven - as if he had no faith in the promise and doubting the forgiveness attempts to pay it back??
(hint: Pretty obvious to all)
Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”
Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.?
Now back to my questions -
Are you wanting someone to defend Christ's teaching in Matthew 18??
Would you like another quote of the chapter where Peter asks about forgiving others and Christ tells him that as a forgiven saint - he is under obligation to forgive others just as God has fully forgiven him?
Because I really enjoy discussing that teaching of Christ
Do you know the difference between what is expected of one has has already been fully forgiven vs what it expected of the lost person?? (This will be interesting to see the many ways to avoid this question). Since it is the answer to your own question.
Does the servant in the story appear to try to pay back his debt after being told he is forgiven - as if he had no faith in the promise and doubting the forgiveness attempts to pay it back??
(hint: Pretty obvious to all)
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The if condition in Romans has the assumed meaning of that you will indeed keep on in the faith, as in since saved by faith, you will continue...
Matthew passage has nothing to do with loss of eternal life!
That Confession is only for reformed Baptists though, who are a minority among overall baptists, and we agree to honor the day unto the Lord, but NOT as the Sda teaches!
So it appears you are assuming that which is not written. So when jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery she became saved by faith according to your beliefs??
The Sda seem to hold to God will freely forgive all past sins done before saved, but placed on probation after that, so need to in the end merit to keep salvation!
Not true. The only difference is that SDAs don't believe God's is a license for continuing in sin. Our theology actually agrees with Roman 6. We are not saved by works but by grace through faith just like you, but we like Paul wrote, don't believe it makes sense to sin because of it.
Romans 6:1-2, 6, 11-13, 18, 22 (NKJV) What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
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If you do not accept Ellen White was inspired by God, worship on Sunday and not saturday, still eat pork, will you still stay saved?
can one be a Sda member, and do what I stated?
Paul also wrote:
Romans 6:16 (NKJV) Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?
A question: Did Paul's audience change or is he writing to the very same folks whose old man was crucified with Christ?
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