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What is the OFFICIAL Sda Views On Gospel And Ellen White?

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robycop3

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A prophet OF GOD'S has a 100% "batting average". EGW does NOT have that!

Some wannabee prophets make "general" prophecies, avoiding specifics, but EGW blew it on several apecifics such as the return of Jesus. And her "investigative judgment" thingie is pure hokum.

She simply founded a new cult from the ashes of a failed one, "Millerism".
 
steaver

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bluejx said:
Well yeah, pretty much. It is in our official statements and I can authoritative answer for myself that I believe we are saved by grace through faith. As for your "simple" question, might I ask for some context? Why are you posing it? Is it because you believe it's OK to sin because you think that saving grace allows it and simply covers you while continuing in sin?

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Same run around we get from all SDA's here. What context do you need? Yes, it's a simple question which SDA's have a lot of trouble answering simple questions. The Gospel is simple, not complex.

So I will try again. Simple question for you. If YOU sin are YOU saved?
 
steaver

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bluejx said:
Quote please.
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Matt 18 is posted over and over as one who is saved by grace, not of himself, then sins and is lost. Which then makes it "saved" of himself. So you do not believe one is saved by grace and this not of yourself. Your actual arguments prove you do not practice what you preach.
 
steaver

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BobRyan said:
On the contrary - I love to pay attention to the "very Bible details" you appear to find most 'inconvenient'
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You missed a question...So when Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery she became saved by faith according to your beliefs??
 
utilyan

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steaver said:
No and No....

Now back to my question.....

"...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Could you point out where the servants faith is spoken of in Matthew 18?
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You have to undermine what Jesus says with flaw interpretation of someone else says about Jews.

The fact you can't say amen to what Jesus says without a personal opinion in addition is a sin.
 
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steaver said:
Same run around we get from all SDA's here. What context do you need? Yes, it's a simple question which SDA's have a lot of trouble answering simple questions. The Gospel is simple, not complex.

So I will try again. Simple question for you. If YOU sin are YOU saved?
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The context I need is what I stated in my response. Why are you posing the question? Is it because you believe saving grace allow you to continue sinning and simply covers your continuing in sin? This is not run around. It's a legitimate question.

But let me let scripture answer for me.

Romans 6:16 (KJV) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.



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steaver said:
Matt 18 is posted over and over as one who is saved by grace, not of himself, then sins and is lost. Which then makes it "saved" of himself. So you do not believe one is saved by grace and this not of yourself. Your actual arguments prove you do not practice what you preach.
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Uhhh, that's actually not a quote, steaver. We did however quote Jesus. And you seem to have a problem with what Jesus said.

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steaver

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bluejx said:
But let me let scripture answer for me.
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And there you go with the SDA run around once again, can't answer a simple question. I have no problem with you referencing scripture, AFTER you answer yes or no.

bluejx said:
Romans 6:16 (KJV) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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bluejx said:
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
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So you posted these two references. My ONLY take away I can conclude is you posted these references to my simple question because you believe you are saved through law keeping. This goes against what you claimed when you said you believed we are saved by grace through faith and this NOT of yourselves. Law keeping is OF YOURSELF.
 
steaver

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bluejx said:
Uhhh, that's actually not a quote, steaver. We did however quote Jesus. And you seem to have a problem with what Jesus said.
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Same tired tactic. Cannot answer simple questions. Just say we all have a problem with what Jesus said. How instructive! Why not just admit what you believe? Why hide it? Just say you believe you are saved through law keeping.
 
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Saved-By-Grace said:
Mrs White, the "prophet" of the SDA movement said that those who worship on Sunday will received the mark of the beast as described in Revelation. Ellen G. White Estate: Daily Devotional - Maranatha This then must include the Disciples of the Lord Jesus, who actually were the first to worship on Sunday.

More importantly, Mrs White taught the arch-heresy of "The Investigative Judgment", which includes "As the priest, in removing the sins from the sanctuary, confessed them upon the head of the scapegoat, so Christ will place all these sins upon Satan, the originator and instigator of sin.", Ellen G. White Estate: Daily Devotional - Maranatha, which is nothing short of blasphemy as it makes satan, rather than the Lord Jesus Christ, the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. Jesus Christ, and not satan, is the "scapegoat" (sin-bearer) as He removes the sins of those who repent and believe in Him.
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A sacrifice would require it be killed. The scapegoat isn't killed but released into the wilderness. And the NT does not establish Sunday as a day of worship nor does it nullify any of the 10Cs including the 4th.

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steaver said:
And there you go with the SDA run around once again, can't answer a simple question. I have no problem with you referencing scripture, AFTER you answer yes or no.





So you posted these two references. My ONLY take away I can conclude is you posted these references to my simple question because you believe you are saved through law keeping. This goes against what you claimed when you said you believed we are saved by grace through faith and this NOT of yourselves. Law keeping is OF YOURSELF.
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Are John and Paul talking about law keeping?

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steaver

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Here is the proper way to have a debate.

Side one asks a pointed question, yes or no.

Opponent answers with...

a) No, let me tell you why from scripture.

b) Yes, let me tell you why from scripture

My question for you...

Do you believe if you sin you will be damned to hell?
 
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steaver said:
Notice how I answered your question Yes or No first, then gave you scripture. Something you cannot do.
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I can and will when you give me the context I asked for. Jesus used a similar tactic when the Pharisees tried to press him for an answer.

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