What is the Optimal Amount of Alcohol to Consume for Health Reasons?

[Covenanter]

Kellogg now dabbles in leftist causes. I think that their sales are down and they are having some recalls. Young people aren't eating cereal for breakfast anymore. I don't like vegan stuff, do you?

Cereal sales are massive anyway - too simple & convenient, & they help the snack industry as kids need elevenses as cereals aren't sustaining. Kelloggs abused their religious tax exempt status to promote their products.

Veganism is fatally flawed as it relies on cereal crops & soya that need plenty of fertilizer & pesticides, & therefore impoverish the land. Mixed farming, where animal dung is returned to the soil is much more sustainable - though again intensive animal farming is also fatally flawed in that dung becomes a massive problem. We have a lot to learn from our ancestors.

 

[Gold Dragon]

The Australian guidelines for alcohol intake since 2009 acknowledge that there is no completely risk free level of drinking. However the guideline suggests anything above 2 standard drinks per day is consider risky or high risk. The assumption being that less than that is low risk but not risk free. I think that level is still high and will probably be lowered over time. In 2001 the guideline was 4 standard drinks a day for men so getting down to 2 was a big win in itself. It is not easy to convince patients of the risk they are placing themselves in and hopefully this study will make my job easier in articulating that risk.

At the same time, I drink alcohol myself and probably have 1-2 glasses of wine or beer a month on average. I understand that is not risk free but so are many other choices in life like getting into a car every day, using DEET on my skin and eating french fries. It is about having an accurate understanding of the risks (with the help of scientific research) and making choices to mitigate those risks.

 

[church mouse guy]

Well, I learned that God so destroyed the old world because of Adam's sin and the wickedness of people that Noah was allowed to eat meat after the flood so I think SDA is wrong on that point.

And my ancestor Noah got drunk at least once after the flood.

 

[church mouse guy]

The Australian guidelines for alcohol intake since 2009 acknowledge that there is no completely risk free level of drinking. However the guideline suggests anything above 2 standard drinks per day is consider risky or high risk. The assumption being that less than that is low risk but not risk free. I think that level is still high and will probably be lowered over time. In 2001 the guideline was 4 standard drinks a day for men so getting down to 2 was a big win in itself. It is not easy to convince patients of the risk they are placing themselves in and hopefully this study will make my job easier in articulating that risk.

At the same time, I drink alcohol myself and probably have 1-2 glasses of wine or beer a month on average. I understand that is not risk free but so are many other choices in life like getting into a car every day, using DEET on my skin and eating french fries. It is about having an accurate understanding of the risks (with the help of scientific research) and making choices to mitigate those risks.

You sound like a good doctor!

 

[Jerome]

The study is a compilation of more than a thousand alcohol studies and data sources, as well as death and disability records from 195 countries. I doubt it can be refuted.

James White has conducted experiments on himself with 'Smirnoff Ice' malt liquor and found that imbibing it at bedtime gave him two to four extra hours of sleep per month!

(starts at 55:41)

 

[liafailrock]

I am very suspicious of worldly studies which no longer are scientific, but to push an agenda and popular vote (of someone in the group, not necessarily the masses). Keep in mind what a lot of these groups believe (such as evolution) may skew other views of life . Why put faith in such studies instead of the bible? Regarding the OP, if you want to know what to eat (or drink), follow God's Word. Drinking is allowed, being drunk is not. Optimal? Not sure, but anything less than drunk would be OK. Maybe some people don't need any drinks, others get by with a drink or two. Solomon described it as a Merry Heart (which is relaxed). Once past that point, then that's when to beware. Frankly, it would be just as beneficial to also go by the other biblical Kosher categories as well, namely the eating of certain meats. If you eat an animal (meat) that is a scavenger, or water bottom-feeder, you are eating nature's vacuum cleaners and clean-up crews that don't filter toxins like ruminants do. Frankly, that sounds worse (and more gross) than a little alcohol.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I love me an Eastern European lager, preferably a Pilsner. I go through a twelve pack a month.

Cleared it through my doctors. Who tell me the Tylenol, oxycodone, and naproxen I was taking in mass quantities during my latest health scare was potentially much more damaging to my liver and stomach than a beer every other night.

 

[Reynolds]

My 5 y-o granddaughter suffers from epilepsy, which became increasingly severe this year. They tried various drugs, some so powerful that she was completely knocked out for several days. She's been in hospital for the past 5 weeks. Her Dad has been in with her on extended compassionate leave from work. Mum has helped while caring for their 3 y-o.

Long ago I suggested the ketogenic diet which is similar to my low carb, healthy fat diet (LCHF), but stricter. In the last few weeks they have introduced it, while reducing the powerful drugs that only stopped the fits by knocking her out. Happily she is responding to keto, only has a few minor fits, & is much more alert. She will soon be home.

So why isn't LCHF recommended for everybody?

This is an excellent introduction lecture - 26 minutes of life transforming advice.
The lecturer, Gary Fettke, studied diet in relation to diabetes when he, as a surgeon, was performing ever increasing numbers of amputations of diabetic patients. The Australian dietitians objected to a non-dietitian giving diet advice & if he gives patients diet advice he could be completely struck off as a medical practitioner for giving advice in a field he hasn't trained in - even if that advice is accepted as valid. His wife gives the diet advice - she's not professionally qualified & can't be struck off!

The food manufacturers have a powerful lobby. Kelloggs used their SDA tax status to promote vegetarianism as a religious doctrine, with their own pseudo medical information. But note - breakfast cereals are poor in nutrition.

I used to do KETO when I powerlifted. It definitely lowers blood pressure, reduces bad and increases good cholesterol, causes fat loss, and makes you feel much better. One of my friends who is a medical doctor says he studied it in reversing type 2 diabetes. He said it is very effective, but he will not recommend it because too many people decide to have a "cheat day" and put themselves in diabetic coma.

 

[Covenanter]

I used to do KETO when I powerlifted. It definitely lowers blood pressure, reduces bad and increases good cholesterol, causes fat loss, and makes you feel much better. One of my friends who is a medical doctor says he studied it in reversing type 2 diabetes. He said it is very effective, but he will not recommend it because too many people decide to have a "cheat day" and put themselves in diabetic coma.

My policy has basically been to avoid all the obvious carbs, & include healthy fats to maintain my energy intake. The LCHF diet. I have not been aware of any dangers - I've never had a hypo nor other diabetic coma in 20 years of diabetes, the last 10 LCHF.

The occasional lapse - or experiment - or cheat day - results in BG going up from the usual 5-9 to the mid teens. That's about 90-160 up to 270 in US units.

Can you ask your doctor is he knows of medical reports of people on the keto diet suffering diabetic coma? It's an important concern as it is becoming increasingly popular & we need to be aware of possible problems.

 

[Reynolds]

My policy has basically been to avoid all the obvious carbs, & include healthy fats to maintain my energy intake. The LCHF diet. I have not been aware of any dangers - I've never had a hypo nor other diabetic coma in 20 years of diabetes, the last 10 LCHF.

The occasional lapse - or experiment - or cheat day - results in BG going up from the usual 5-9 to the mid teens. That's about 90-160 up to 270 in US units.

Can you ask your doctor is he knows of medical reports of people on the keto diet suffering diabetic coma? It's an important concern as it is becoming increasingly popular & we need to be aware of possible problems.

He said he had patients it happened to. The problem was he took highly insulin dependant diabetics and got them completely off insulin. Then they had that moment of weakness they ate half the chocolate cake etc.

 

[Covenanter]

He said he had patients it happened to. The problem was he took highly insulin dependant diabetics and got them completely off insulin. Then they had that moment of weakness they ate half the chocolate cake etc.

Thanks for the info - we have to be vigilant.

 

[Yeshua1]

If you're one of the third of all humankind who drinks alcohol, take note: There's no amount of liquor, wine or beer that is safe for your overall health, according to a new analysis of 2016 global alcohol consumption and disease risk.

Alcohol was the leading risk factor for disease and premature death in men and women between the ages of 15 and 49 worldwide in 2016, accounting for nearly one in 10 deaths, according to the study, published Thursday in the journal The Lancet.
For all ages, alcohol was associated with 2.8 million deaths that year.


Those deaths include alcohol-related cancer and cardiovascular diseases, infectious diseases such as tuberculosis, intentional injury such as violence and self-harm, and traffic accidents and other unintentional injuries such as drowning and fires.

No amount of alcohol is good for your overall health, global study says - CNN

The question than comes up' does this mean no drinking ospermitted by God at all?" or is it "drink at your pwn risk?"

 

[Southern Fried Baptist]

I don’t have any problem with anyone who enjoys a drink or two. As long as your not getting slooshed!

 

[Yeshua1]

I don’t have any problem with anyone who enjoys a drink or two. As long as your not getting slooshed!

I enjoy a wine now and then, but definitely agree never to drink until sloshed!

 

[Revmitchell]

I don't have a problem with anyone who drinks any amount. What other people do is not my business (unless it is staff members).

Let's just not pretend that we are not drunk just because we could be getting drunker. Buzzed is drunk.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I love me an Eastern European lager, preferably a Pilsner. I go through a twelve pack a month.

Cleared it through my doctors. Who tell me the Tylenol, oxycodone, and naproxen I was taking in mass quantities during my latest health scare was potentially much more damaging to my liver and stomach than a beer every other night.

And you flushyour kndneys much better.

 

[Reynolds]

I don't have a problem with anyone who drinks any amount. What other people do is not my business (unless it is staff members).

Let's just not pretend that we are not drunk just because we could be getting drunker. Buzzed is drunk.

I have not drank alcohol in many years. I don't feel two drinks. Three drunk fast, maybe. Usually its around 6 where I would begin to catch a buzz.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I love me an Eastern European lager, preferably a Pilsner. I go through a twelve pack a month.

Cleared it through my doctors. Who tell me the Tylenol, oxycodone, and naproxen I was taking in mass quantities during my latest health scare was potentially much more damaging to my liver and stomach than a beer every other night.

You have been in my prayers. How are you doing now health wise?

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't have a problem with anyone who drinks any amount. What other people do is not my business (unless it is staff members).

Let's just not pretend that we are not drunk just because we could be getting drunker. Buzzed is drunk.

Yep, buzz driving is drunk driving...

 

[Revmitchell]

Yep, buzz driving is drunk driving...

Buzz anything is drunk anything