What is the Purpose of the Millennium?

J. Jump,

I like your response as it questions whether
the Millennium is as important for Christians
who "overcome to the End" and survive as it is important for Martyrs who are "beheaded".

The entire Pre-Trib Church Body needs to realize that ITS members are not the prime beneficiaries of the Millennial Reign with Christ ... both on
earth and in heaven.

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"So are you saying that unless a Christian is beheaded they can't experience ruling and reigning with Christ"?
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My statement might seem to contradict that the
Purpose of the Millennium includes the rule
of worthy Saints UPON the earth. To be sure, Rev.2:25-27 applies to survivors who "overcome to the End". They will rule sitting on thrones UPON the earth.

But at the same time the Millennium is required in order to fulfill the promise for Martyrs to
"reign with Christ" in the Temple of the New Jerusalem before it comes down UPON the earth.

The Temple in heaven will continue to exist for 1000 years until the Martyrs have finished

(1) "Serving God therein where He dwells among them" as stated in Rev.7:15 and until

(2) they "reign with Christ in heaven for 1000 years as stated in Rev.20:4; Rev.7:17 and until

(3) the Lamb "shepherds them and leads them upon fountains of living water" during that period
which begins after they are all "beheaded".

Only after the 1000 year reign of the Martyrs
in heaven and after the 1000-year reign of worthy "survivors" sitting on earthly thrones will God's will be done on earth *forever* ...
as it is in heaven"!

The Dispensations' Doctrine exalts those who
"overcome to the End" by recognizing they will "sit on earthly thrones to rule the nations"; but that Doctrine does not recognize the superior reward given to Trib-Martyrs who "love not their life unto death". Rev.12:11.

Only the Martyrs will "serve God in the Temple of heaven" 1000 years until that temple no longer exists in the New Jerusalem. The Nations will begin to enter the New Jerusalem thereafter with God and the Lamb its Temple!! Rev.21:22-26.

God's Purpose in the Millennium includes more than that of ruling with Christ on earth OR in
heaven. There is a deeper Purpose that Reformers do not even recognize and that many Dispies fail to include in what they "think the Bible is vague about; but which only takes place during this 1,000-year period".

But I hope we may agree on that deeper Purpose that God reveals in both the O T and N T.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

J.Jump and Hope of Glory,

From what vantage point will Christ and Christians “rule nations with an iron rod”?

Quote from J.Jump:
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“Well where we will disagree is that I don't believe "worthy" Christians will rule from
the physical earth. I believe that reign to be for the nation of Israel”.
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This quote is a supremely vital point for discussion before we can understand God’s
full Purpose for the Millennium. You must lean toward the view that Rev.5:10 refers to the Saints in heaven “ruling the nations FROM HEAVEN for 1000 years”. The 12 disciples will “sit on thrones to judge the tribes of Israel”; but they will need the help of Church Saints to “judge the nations”. Matt.19:28.

“They (3rd pers. plural), a kingdom of priests, shall reign on the earth” (basileusousin
epi tηs gηs”). But reigning “epi” the earth
does not require us to be in heaven. The
meaning of this preposition can be “over or above” the earth; but it can also be “upon
the earth” as the KJV translates.

Daniel, Jesus, Paul and John show “all the Saints coming with Jesus” FROM heaven. Only the Martyrs return TO heaven where John sees them “sitting on thrones in judgment” even before they rise up to meet Him above the earth at the time of the “first resurrection”. Rev.20:4-5.

The key that requires only the Martyrs to return to heaven to “reign with Christ for 1000
years (20:4) and to serve God in the Temple of heaven where God will dwell among them” (7:15) is the promise given to ALL Church overcomers; but which requires them to be overcomers unto death through the entire Trib period! Rev.12:11. Read Rev.3:10-12.

Believers will be “kept from the Hour of Trial”. But there is a special “crown” for those who
“overcome unto death”. They will be “made Pillars in the Temple of God and shall NOT GUT of that Temple any more”. They will never leave the New Jerusalem. They have the “name of God, the name of New Jerusalem and the name of the Lamb”!!

Now, it is true this could arguably apply to all Believers who “overcome to the end”. However, while Rev.2:25-27 doesn’t require “overcomers” to rule FROM heaven, Rev.7:15-17 does require
the Martyrs "coming out of great tribulation" to
rule in heaven AFTER the great tribulation!!

We still have not seen the Big Picture as to why “overcoming Saints must rule on the earth” (not the Martyrs) so as to be in direct contact with the nations in fulfilling God’s Purpose for 1000 years.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Me4Him,

If you want a response from me, give the QUOTE
to which you refer. Don't just make general
statements as below. Your arguments are too detailed to even consider without a QUOTE
to allow a direct exchange of viewpoints, i.e,:
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"Mel, I think you're making a mistake In separating the Jews and christians during MK, "IN CHRIST" (saved) there is neither Jew or greek".
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How did I separate the Jews and Christians
during the MK? Your post, as usual, has no
reference to the subject at hand, the Purpose for the Millennium; but only to your Pre-Trib, unestablished theories.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Me4Him,

The following quote is pure theory because it
limits Kingdom rulership to the Jews:
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"ALL" those resurrected, (Jew/Greek) stay on earth for the MK, the promies to Israel of a "reigning Messiah" here on earth is what the Jews were expecting and will receive, even if they die prior to that "kingdom". (resurrected)
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The Apostles will "judge the 12 tribes"; but the
Trib-Surviving Saints will be among those that
"rule on earth over the nations with a rod of iron". Matt.19:28; Rev.2:25-27; Rev.5:10.

Once again, you take away from Scripture what is
terribly important for those "beheaded for
their testimony to Jesus and the word of God".
They will "serve God in heaven as Pillars in the Temple and reign with Christ in heaven where He will shepherd them for 1000 years". Rev.3:12; Rev.7:15-17; Rev.20:4.

Why are you so recalcitrant?

You again make a statement without Scripture
to support your heretical teaching that no
Gentile will be saved during the Millennium.

The Saints who "overcome to the end will rule on the earth" but those who are "beheaded for their testimony to Jesus will serve God as Pillars
in the Temple and the Lamb will shepherd them
in heaven where they will reign with Him for
1000 years". Rev.3:12; Rev.7:14-17; Rev.20:4.

Your understanding is distorted because you
claim that Gentiles will NOT be saved during the great tribulation and will therefore NOT be
among those "beheaded for Jesus NOR become Pillars in the Temple of Heaven for 1000 years as stated in Rev.3:12; Rev.7:14-17; Rev.20:4.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Me4Him,
In your following statements you contradict yourself:
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"IN CHRIST" there are no Jews/Greek, there is no differences between church saints and
trib saints.

"Those Beheaded (Israel) are the ones the `earth Kingdom' was promised too, dead/alive, they will experience it".
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In the first sentence you agree there is no difference between Jews and Gentiles in Christ.
In the 2nd you exclude Gentiles because you
deny they will be saved during the tribulation.
That is a bare-faced contradiction of your own
first statement.

Since there are neither Jews or Gentiles in
Christ, how can you be sure that only Jews are "beheaded" to reign on the earth? And at
the same time you contrdict Rev.3:12 and
Rev.7:15-17 and Rev.20:4.

Me4Him, you are not a worthy one to debate with as you change the truth that men from every nation will come “out of the great tribulation” and that those “beheaded for the testimony of Jesus will serve God as Pillars in the Temple
of heaven and reign with Christ as He leads
them in fountains of water for 1000 years; but those who overcome to the end will reign on the
earth". Rev.5:10; Rev.2:25-27.

This is the baldest kind of unbelief I have encountered among Christians on any website.

I will no longer exchange views with you for denying that Gentiles will be saved during
the great tribulation. You correctly state
that Jews and Gentiles are ONE in Christ. But
then deny that Gentiles are among those who are "beheaded" because you (falsely) claim
that only Israel (Jews) will “reign with
Christ on the earth”.

You have the Jews being restored as rulers of the earth but refuse to include Gentiles among those who “reign with Christ on the earth” as clearly taught in the Book of Revelation.

But more important to this thread, you also
deny one of God’s primary goals that require a literal period of 1000 years between Christ’s second coming and a New Heaven and Earth so
that those “beheaded for Christ will reign in heaven” prior to the New Jerusalem coming
down upon/over the earth.

Mel Miller www.lastday.net

 

Me4Him,

You actually admit that saved Jews and Gentiles will be ONE, not two, during the Millennium.
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The Jews don't believe in Jesus, they are not rapture, pre trib, during the trib some believe, they become "Christians", when both the church and those who are saved during the trib, return, they are "ONE", not "two".
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If saved Jews and Gentiles are ONE before the
tribulation, as well as during the Millennium
why do you not believe they will be ONE during
the great tribulation?????????????????????????

Mel Miller www.lastday.net