Think the danger is to subtle mix/mingle Law and Grace, in that we would be still seeing obeying the law manditory to show we really were saved, that we have to keep it well and long enough to presevere unto the end!
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what Is the Sabbath day rest mentioned In Hebrews?
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Think the danger is to subtle mix/mingle Law and Grace, in that we would be still seeing obeying the law manditory to show we really were saved, that we have to keep it well and long enough to presevere unto the end!
Hank,
No..it would be wrong to keep ceremonial laws and jewish feast days....
The sabbath is a creation ordinance.....from Genesis...God rested
The sabbath is made for man...
It was a part of the ceremonial law also....but that is because it is binding as part of the ten commandments...before the Mosaic laws were given.
All ten commandments are still in effect. WE are not lawless.....It is in our hearts now.
hank.....
from a Baptist CATHECHISM with Commentary..by WR Downing.....used by permission
Ans: The Fourth Commandment reveals that God is sovereign over
time, and requires man to keep as holy unto God such times
as he has appointed in his Word.
See also: Gen. 2:2–3; Ex. 16:25–30; 23:10–12; 31:13–17; Lev. 19:30;
23:3; 26:2; Numb. 15:32–36; Deut. 5:12–15; 2 Kgs. 4:22–23; Neh.
13:15–22; Isa. 58:13–14; Ezk. 23:38; Amos 8:4–5; Matt. 12:1–13;
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28:1; Mk. 2:23–28; Lk. 4:16; 23:56; 24:1; Jn. 7:22–23; 20:1, 19; Acts
13:14–41; 17:3; 20:7; Rom. 14:5–6; 1 Cor. 16:2; Gal. 4:10–11; Col.
2:16–17; 2 Thess. 3:10–12; Heb. 4:1–11; 10:25; Rev. 1:10; 10:5–6.
COMMENTARY
The Fourth Commandment reveals the absolute sovereignty of God over
man with regard to the use of his time—labor, rest, worship and recreation.
The Sabbath, reflecting the rest of God upon finishing the work of creation,
comes to man as a Divine blessing and gift, not a restriction or burden (Isa.
58:13–14). The division of this Commandment is four–fold: first, the
strongest admonition both to remember the Sabbath and to keep it holy [set
apart]. Second, the recognition of work, Third, rest from work. Fourth, the
reason for the Sabbath. It reflects the Divine rest after the work of creation—a
rest of pleasure and satisfaction.
The First Commandment reveals the absolute sovereignty of God over our
worship; the Second, the spirituality of our worship; the Third, our inward–
attitude in worship. The Fourth Commandment reveals the absolute
sovereignty of God over our time—work and rest, worship and vocation,
labor and recreation.
One must work before he can rest. Six days are the God–given time–
frame for work. Note that six days of work are not necessarily commanded,
but rather that all man’s work is to be done within six days that he might rest
on the seventh: The opening words “Six days shalt thou labour…” must not
be arbitrarily separated from the remainder of the statement, “…and do all thy
work,” implying a six–day time–frame for work that the Sabbath might
remain separate as a day of rest.
The weekly Sabbath was not the only “Sabbath” that God commanded
Israel to observe. There were weekly (Ex. 20:8–11; Deut. 5:12–15), monthly
(Numb. 28:11–15; Rom. 14:5–6) and yearly Sabbaths (Ex. 12:1–20, 43–50;
Lev. 23:15–44; Numb. 28:16–25; 29:1–40), one observed every seven years
(Ex. 23:10–11; Lev. 25:1–7, 18–22; 2 Chron. 36:20–21) and one observed
every fifty years (Lev. 25:8–18). Some were purely rest–days, some were
feast–days and some were days of corporate worship. To correctly understand
the full significance of the weekly Sabbath, one must understand the whole
Sabbath–principle commanded by God. The following is a short study on the
various “Sabbaths”:
The Sabbath–principle of Israel was a principle of rest for man, animals
and the land, instituted by God. It looked back to creation and Israel’s
deliverance from Egypt, looked to God in covenant–relationship and looked
ahead prophetically to the redemption of the whole creation. This principle
was also a principle of celebration. Both typically anticipated the redemption–
rest in the Lord Jesus Christ and in future glory (Deut. 5:12–15; Rom. 8:18–
23; Heb. 4:1–11; 2 Pet. 3:7–18).To be biblical and consistent, one must make a distinction between the
provisional [ceremonial, civil] and the perpetual: The Sabbath [rest and
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worship]–principle is perpetual, as reflected in both God’s creation–rest (Gen.
2:2–3; Ex. 20:11) and the need for man to rest, i.e., “the Sabbath was made
for man, not man for the Sabbath” (Mk. 2:27). The Sabbath–principle points
ahead to the redemptive rest in the Lord Jesus Christ (Deut. 5:12–15; Heb.
4:1–11. Note that Heb. 4:9 literally reads “a Sabbath rest” in the Gk.), and so
has a typical significance which will find complete fulfillment in the final
redemption of man and the earth, when the Sabbath rest of God and man shall
find its ultimate realization (Rom. 8:18–23; 2 Pet. 3:13).What, then, in essence, is the perpetual and ultimate significance of the
Sabbath? The Sabbath is described as “the Sabbath of the Lord God,” i.e., his
Sabbath and is traced back to his primeval rest of celebration,
accomplishment, satisfaction [“all was very good”] and anticipation (Gen.
2:1–3). The national or covenant significance to Israel was both temporary
and typological (Ex. 16:25–30; 23:10–12; 31:13–17; Deut. 5:12–15), awaiting
its true and full significance among believers within the New or Gospel
Covenant (Heb. 4:1–11).
Believers are now brought into union with Christ and so rejoice in his
finished redemptive work and spiritually “rest” by faith in him. We celebrate
our glorious salvation. Note the anticipation of that “[Sabbath–]rest which
remaineth for the people of God” (Heb. 4:9). We await our future glorification
(Rom. 8:14–23) and the restoration of all creation which, again, will render
everything pristine and “very good” in the creation of “new heavens and a
new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness” (2 Pet. 3:7–13). With creation
ultimately and infallibly restored, and the elect of God finally and fully
redeemed, the full and final rest of God will be accomplished. The Sabbath
then, ought to be a celebration of our redemption, a delight, a rest, both
physical and spiritual and an anticipation of that glory which is to come. Such
thoughts ought to sanctify and make the Lord’s Day a delight.
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Actually, its Christ in us, through the Holy Spirit, and He is the one that produces new life change in us as we allow Him to,,,
We keep the law of God by Him keeping it through us, in the Spirit, bot bound to obey it as isreal was when under the old Covenant establishment!
You are not correct here..we posted at the same time check the post.
we do not allow anything...God works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Are you saying here that Christians cannot chose freely to quench and grieve the Spirit, and thus hinder maturing as God desires us too?
No.....
Christians are responsible for what they do......it is not ....let go and let God.
We are to mortify sin. The language of ....allowing God...is unscriptural.
A Christian who grieves the Spirit will be corrected by God.
Obviously, Christ is the fulfillment of the Sabbath, but one must be careful not to think that gives the Christian "liberty" to profane the days the Lord has made, just as there being no male and female in Christ does not give the Christian "liberty" to marry one of the same gender.
Christ is the end of the law, but it's still wrong to disobey one's parents.
Christ is the end of the law, but it's still wrong to disobey one's parents.
it is to the unsaved, as the Lord HAS to intervene on our behalf in order to have us get saved, but doesn't thelord, once saved, 'allow/permit" to chose wisely or poorly?
that we can after saved by his grace actually hinder our spiritual growing to making unwise decisions?
that is what i meant by 'allowing God to work in our lives!"
DC,
I know what you meant....but as we are posting and not speaking verbally...it is important to be more accurate when describing the work of God in sanctification. There are many errors to be avoided.
It is all of grace but we pray and work as if it were up to us.
We believe, we repent,we exercise faith, we pursue holiness. But it is as God works in us. Yet we are in a body that still is able to sin.
DC...work through the quote I posted...I did not post it to fill space...it describes the nature of the creation ordinance.
Would you see this as what Apostle Peter was referencing in 2 peter 1:3?
It's impossible to keep your self saved. It is God who does that not you.
MB
YES...BINGO.....there it is!
Here is exactly where God's sovereignty and Mans responsibility mesh together.....
We are sons by grace...but now,,willing bondslaves {law keepers} by choice..not in order to be saved....but because we are saved...it is our reasonable service....I think you are going to see it DC....:thumbsup:
He says work it out...not work for it!
The law is in our heart...not to earn salvation...but to guide us..as the "law of love"...James says..the royal law....
Reformed persons often say......the law is loves eyes....it shows us how to love...God and The brethren:thumbs:
Law without love is legalism.....
Love without law if antinomianism
God wishes for us to live godly lives in christ jesus, and he gives us the Gift of His Spirit as the ONLY means to enable us to live for God as we should!
when the HS produces his fruit in and through us, when we stay in Christ , we will be "keeping the law" by His empowering, as that is just what the HS does!
psalms109:31
Active Member
Romans 6
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus
Hebrews 4
A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God
1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.[Some manuscripts because those who heard did not combine it with faith] 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”[Psalm 95:11; also in verse 5]
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”[Gen. 2:2] 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[Psalm 95:7,8]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[Or labor] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
The short answer for rest is to die in Christ depend on Him alone, to give up on self not to do nothing, but that Christ will live through us. Am i going to say this yeah I will to be His puppet. :godisgood: :jesus:
8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus
Hebrews 4
A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God
1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.[Some manuscripts because those who heard did not combine it with faith] 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.’”[Psalm 95:11; also in verse 5]
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.”[Gen. 2:2] 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”[Psalm 95:7,8]
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[Or labor] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
The short answer for rest is to die in Christ depend on Him alone, to give up on self not to do nothing, but that Christ will live through us. Am i going to say this yeah I will to be His puppet. :godisgood: :jesus:
Even the works ofthe believers...good works are ordained....
Jesus...was a law keeper.....so are His brethren.
Continuance in the faith is evidence of the faith.
2pet1 all this virtues are present and growing in a true believer. The Spirit uses the word...God's law word to guide us.
jn17
freeatlast
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May I say that I think using abbreviations for any Person of the God head is extremely disrespectful and shows a total lack of reverence and worship.
What do you mean "when the Holy Spirit produces his fruit in and through us"? What fruit are you speaking of?
thankfully, you are not Him!
the fruit of the Holy Spirit :
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
— Galatians 5:22-23
Just saying that the HS in us will produce that through us, and he also provides the empowering to keep law written in our hearts!
AMEN.....may some of our "High Minded" recall that! :thumbs: