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What is truth?

Crabtownboy

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Partially correct. For example, it was "truth" based on our understanding of reality that the world was flat. Once that was proven untrue, we had to change our perception of reality.

I agree.

However, there are certain truths that are immutable; for example, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. If you step in water, you get wet. And Christ is the only way to heaven. These truths don't change, no matter what our perception of reality is.

I agree.


Thus, "Christ is truth" should cause you no problems. If you agree that Christ is God, then when Christ says "I am...truth," we have a statement that God is truth. To say otherwise is to raise the possibility that God is not completely true; in which case, none of scripture can be trusted, and Christianity is itself a lie.

I agree ... but that does not give a definition of truth.
 

Crabtownboy

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God defines truth, not you or me. It's what He says, what He does, and who He is.

Amy, I am sorry, but this does not help us define the word truth. Your statement is true, but it does not help define the word.

Blessings.
 

Don

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Amy, I am sorry, but this does not help us define the word truth. Your statement is true, but it does not help define the word.

Blessings.
Now that's just being obtuse. Truth is the quality of being true; if Jesus says, "I am...the truth," then truth has been defined. By definition, what Amy wrote is therefore truth.

Your niggling about "definition of truth" is non-productive.
 

Crabtownboy

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Now that's just being obtuse. Truth is the quality of being true; if Jesus says, "I am...the truth," then truth has been defined. By definition, what Amy wrote is therefore truth.

Your niggling about "definition of truth" is non-productive.

Though I am not a trained philosopher by any stretch of the imagination, I have taken a few philosophical courses and read various philosophers. Believe me, those are not definitions.
 

Matt22:37-39

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Now that's just being obtuse. Truth is the quality of being true; if Jesus says, "I am...the truth," then truth has been defined. By definition, what Amy wrote is therefore truth.

Your niggling about "definition of truth" is non-productive.

Jesus is TRUTH and He is the word, therefore God's word is TRUTH
 

Matt22:37-39

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John 1..."In the beginning was the word and the word became flesh and dwelt among us"...Jesus said "I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, no man comes to the father but by me.

I'm pretty sure the article explains it better
 

Matt22:37-39

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Question: "What is truth?"

Answer: Almost two thousand years ago, Truth was put on trial and judged by people who were devoted to lies. In fact, Truth faced six trials in less than one full day, three of which were religious, and three that were legal. In the end, few people involved in those events could answer the question, “What is truth?”

After being arrested, the Truth was first led to a man named Annas, a corrupt former high priest of the Jews. Annas broke numerous Jewish laws during the trial, including holding the trial in his house, trying to induce self-accusations against the defendant, and striking the defendant, who had been convicted of nothing at the time. After Annas, the Truth was led to the reigning high priest, Caiaphas, who happened to be Annas’s son-in-law. Before Caiaphas and the Jewish Sanhedrin, many false witnesses came forward to speak against the Truth, yet nothing could be proved and no evidence of wrongdoing could be found. Caiaphas broke no fewer than seven laws while trying to convict the Truth: (1) the trial was held in secret; (2) it was carried out at night; (3) it involved bribery; (4) the defendant had no one present to make a defense for Him; (5) the requirement of 2-3 witnesses could not be met; (6) they used self-incriminating testimony against the defendant; (7) they carried out the death penalty against the defendant the same day. All these actions were prohibited by Jewish law. Regardless, Caiaphas declared the Truth guilty because the Truth claimed to be God in the flesh, something Caiaphas called blasphemy.

When morning came, the third trial of the Truth took place, with the result that the Jewish Sanhedrin pronounced the Truth should die. However, the Jewish council had no legal right to carry out the death penalty, so they were forced to bring the Truth to the Roman governor at the time, a man named Pontius Pilate. Pilate was appointed by Tiberius as the fifth prefect of Judea and served in that capacity A.D. 26 to 36. The procurator had power of life and death and could reverse capital sentences passed by the Sanhedrin. As the Truth stood before Pilate, more lies were brought against Him. His enemies said, “We found this man misleading our nation and forbidding to pay taxes to Caesar, and saying that He Himself is Christ, a King” (Luke 23:2). This was a lie, as the Truth had told everyone to pay their taxes (Matthew 22:21) and never spoke of Himself as a challenge to Caesar.

After this, a very interesting conversation between the Truth and Pilate took place. “Therefore Pilate entered again into the Praetorium, and summoned Jesus and said to Him, ‘Are You the King of the Jews?’ Jesus answered, ‘Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?’ Pilate answered, ‘I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me; what have You done?’ Jesus answered, ‘My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.’ Therefore Pilate said to Him, ‘So You are a king?’ Jesus answered, ‘You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.’ Pilate said to Him, ‘What is truth?’” (John 18:33–38).

Pilate’s question, “What is truth?” has reverberated down through history. Was it a melancholy desire to know what no one else could tell him, a cynical insult, or perhaps an irritated, indifferent reply to Jesus’ words?

In a postmodern world that denies that truth can be known, the question is more important than ever to answer. What is truth?

A Proposed Definition of Truth

In defining truth, it is first helpful to note what truth is not:

• Truth is not simply whatever works. This is the philosophy of pragmatism – an ends-vs.-means-type approach. In reality, lies can appear to “work,” but they are still lies and not the truth.
• Truth is not simply what is coherent or understandable. A group of people can get together and form a conspiracy based on a set of falsehoods where they all agree to tell the same false story, but it does not make their presentation true.
• Truth is not what makes people feel good. Unfortunately, bad news can be true.
• Truth is not what the majority says is true. Fifty-one percent of a group can reach a wrong conclusion.
• Truth is not what is comprehensive. A lengthy, detailed presentation can still result in a false conclusion.
• Truth is not defined by what is intended. Good intentions can still be wrong.
• Truth is not how we know; truth is what we know.
• Truth is not simply what is believed. A lie believed is still a lie.
• Truth is not what is publicly proved. A truth can be privately known (for example, the location of buried treasure).

The Greek word for “truth” is aletheia, which literally means to “un-hide” or “hiding nothing.” It conveys the thought that truth is always there, always open and available for all to see, with nothing being hidden or obscured. The Hebrew word for “truth” is emeth, which means “firmness,” “constancy” and “duration.” Such a definition implies an everlasting substance and something that can be relied upon.

From a philosophical perspective, there are three simple ways to define truth:

1. Truth is that which corresponds to reality.
2. Truth is that which matches its object.
3. Truth is simply telling it like it is.

First, truth corresponds to reality or “what is.” It is real. Truth is also correspondent in nature. In other words, it matches its object and is known by its referent. For example, a teacher facing a class may say, “Now the only exit to this room is on the right.” For the class that may be facing the teacher, the exit door may be on their left, but it’s absolutely true that the door, for the professor, is on the right.

Truth also matches its object. It may be absolutely true that a certain person may need so many milligrams of a certain medication, but another person may need more or less of the same medication to produce the desired effect. This is not relative truth, but just an example of how truth must match its object. It would be wrong (and potentially dangerous) for a patient to request that their doctor give them an inappropriate amount of a particular medication, or to say that any medicine for their specific ailment will do.

In short, truth is simply telling it like it is; it is the way things really are, and any other viewpoint is wrong. A foundational principle of philosophy is being able to discern between truth and error, or as Thomas Aquinas observed, "It is the task of the philosopher to make distinctions."

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-...#ixzz2VEQHdZk5
 

Don

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Though I am not a trained philosopher by any stretch of the imagination, I have taken a few philosophical courses and read various philosophers. Believe me, those are not definitions.
Though not a "trained" philosopher, I, too, have taken some philosophy courses and read various authors on the subject. Believe me, if something can be found in the dictionary, it has been "defined."

You're not asking for a definition of "truth"; you're asking about what people believe.
 

quantumfaith

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....is actually more in the "eye of the beholder" than the Biblical World View of His Word.

The reason there is so much disagreement on this board is because everyone seems to think they have a special place in the heart of God. Too many of the folks on this board think they have ALL the answers, and they live to correct those that are not at their level of theology and doctrinal understandings or leanings.

So, if you want to know the truth, just post something and wait for the wind of cyber wisdom to blow in and like an instant tornado, it will begin ripping, uprooting, twisting, bending, tossing aside and destroying your thoughts and everyone elses thoughts to be the king of the board. And let me remind you, these folks spare me expense, especially at the cost of others.

And one more time, Matt22. This is not to put you down, or lift you up. If you want to believe the things you post as being directly from God, so be it. Just don't expect others to always see it as you. This is not some kind of popularity contest, Kiddo. In fact, it doesn't matter if you like me, agree with me, or support me. All that matters to me, is that when I draw my last breath in this life, I go through the Narrow Gate at the end of the Narrow Path. And that should be all that matters to you.

If you put your heart out there in cyber-land, it will be stepped on; tromped on; and likely broken, and sad to say, those who break your heart don't care one bit. All they want is to be top man on the totem pole. I say let 'em [be top man]. Because all that should matter to you is that you have a key waiting to be handed to you for your brand new condo in Heaven when Jesus meets you at the pearly gate.

If you feel comfortable with what you have posted, I'd say to go with it. As Rick Hunter, on the old television cop show always said, Hey! It works for me!"

When I post on the board, I am not looking for validation or approval. Because if I did, I'd be severely disappointed, and my feelings would be hurt.

I am comfortable in my own understanding of what God has given me, and for sure, no cyber theologian, who has no reliable or tangible credentials to back up their views and opinions are going to dissuade me; change my mind; or persuade me to think differently. Sorry to say, my mind is pretty much made up!!!

God, through His Holy Spirit has done a more than an adequate job thus far, and I'm not about to let so boisterous, bombastic, big mouth; bamboozle, belittle, guilt trip, demean me, humiliate, embarass or publicly destroy me.

I am quite confident, as I am sure, you are [or you'd not be posting these long dissertations] that God has adequately prepared me. As for a pool of teachers and leaders whom I respect and look up to for mentoring, they are people that have faces. People I have known for a long time. And more importantly, people I trust.

There are few people that I trust on this board, and if you want to know who they are looked at my list of friends in my personal section of this board. There are also a few that I have yet to befriend, that also count in my list of cyber friends.

BTW - I use the term "cyber-friends" for a reason. That means these are people I'd not know if not for the miracle of cyber space. Still, while I count it a blessing to have these folks as friends to fellowship with through the medium of cyber space, there is nothing that can take the place of actually meeting the person, face-to-face, and looking into their eyes. Thus when someone tells me, they love me in Jesus, I am pretty sure of their love and words. :flower:

Cyber space has fooled a great many folks into thinking they have made great friends [BFF's], and I am not about to let it fool me... I love it, and thank God for it, I just don't put all my marbles in its cyber bank safe! :smilewinkgrin:

Shalom, and if I've hurt or disappointed you, I am sorry. I am only giving you what you are asking for: Aand honest opinion.

That is "pert neer" absolute truth.
Great Post!!!!!
 

quantumfaith

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WHAT IS TRUTH?...Click on the link for the whole article, or should I say the whole TRUTH...;)

The Offensive Nature of Truth
When the concept of truth is maligned, it usually for one or more of the following reasons:

One common complaint against anyone claiming to have absolute truth in matters of faith and religion is that such a stance is “narrow-minded.” However, the critic fails to understand that, by nature, truth is narrow. Is a math teacher narrow-minded for holding to the belief that 2 + 2 only equals 4?

Another objection to truth is that it is arrogant to claim that someone is right and another person is wrong. However, returning to the above example with mathematics, is it arrogant for a math teacher to insist on only one right answer to an arithmetic problem? Or is it arrogant for a locksmith to state that only one key will open a locked door?

A third charge against those holding to absolute truth in matters of faith and religion is that such a position excludes people, rather than being inclusive. But such a complaint fails to understand that truth, by nature, excludes its opposite. All answers other than 4 are excluded from the reality of what 2 + 2 truly equals.

Yet another protest against truth is that it is offensive and divisive to claim one has the truth. Instead, the critic argues, all that matters is sincerity. The problem with this position is that truth is immune to sincerity, belief, and desire. It doesn’t matter how much one sincerely believes a wrong key will fit a door; the key still won’t go in and the lock won’t be opened. Truth is also unaffected by sincerity. Someone who picks up a bottle of poison and sincerely believes it is lemonade will still suffer the unfortunate effects of the poison. Finally, truth is impervious to desire. A person may strongly desire that their car has not run out of gas, but if the gauge says the tank is empty and the car will not run any farther, then no desire in the world will miraculously cause the car to keep going.

Some will admit that absolute truth exists, but then claim such a stance is only valid in the area of science and not in matters of faith and religion. This is a philosophy called logical positivism, which was popularized by philosophers such as David Hume and A. J. Ayer. In essence, such people state that truth claims must either be (1) tautologies (for example, all bachelors are unmarried men) or empirically verifiable (that is, testable via science). To the logical positivist, all talk about God is nonsense.

Those who hold to the notion that only science can make truth claims fail to recognize is that there are many realms of truth where science is impotent. For example:

• Science cannot prove the disciplines of mathematics and logic because it presupposes them.
• Science cannot prove metaphysical truths such as, minds other than my own do exist.
• Science is unable to provide truth in the areas of morals and ethics. You cannot use science, for example, to prove the Nazis were evil.
• Science is incapable of stating truths about aesthetic positions such as the beauty of a sunrise.
• Lastly, when anyone makes the statement “science is the only source of objective truth,” they have just made a philosophical claim—which cannot be tested by science.

And there are those who say that absolute truth does not apply in the area of morality. Yet the response to the question, “Is is moral to torture and murder an innocent child?” is absolute and universal: No. Or, to make it more personal, those who espouse relative truth concerning morals always seem to want their spouse to be absolutely faithful to them.

Why Truth is Important

Why is it so important to understand and embrace the concept of absolute truth in all areas of life (including faith and religion)? Simply because life has consequences for being wrong. Giving someone the wrong amount of a medication can kill them; having an investment manager make the wrong monetary decisions can impoverish a family; boarding the wrong plane will take you where you do not wish to go; and dealing with an unfaithful marriage partner can result in the destruction of a family and, potentially, disease.

As Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias puts it, “The fact is, the truth matters – especially when you’re on the receiving end of a lie.” And nowhere is this more important than in the area of faith and religion. Eternity is an awfully long time to be wrong.


http://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-truth.html

2+2= 4.....because we define it to be so. Science and mathematics can only speak as truth as in the ability to "falsify" premises based on objective measures,,,,,which of course are defined by "us".
 

Matt22:37-39

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OK, TIME TO BRING UP MY GOOD FRIEND AQUARIUS. I love it when God gives timely examples…I see more and more of them the closer I walk with Him. This one fits what I am talking about.

This is a homeless young man (30) living in a tent with his pit-bull dog. I live in basically a small town white community, yet we are not immune from the “hippies, or druids” so we have an interesting mix of strong liberal and at the same counterpart strong gun toting conservatives. Anyway, I met this man at Starbucks…I like to sit and people watch and talk to people…my motto has always been…”No Such Thing As A Stranger, Just A Potential friend” …this day proved why…

At first appearances, one would ASSUME this black man with dread locks with a Bob Marley beard as well, would be one I would need to be careful of….he even had the infamous “pit bull”…two of them at the time. Thing is, I am not one to judge people on how they LOOK, or how much they have, or what can they give me, or anything that would hinder me from meeting a great person…an appointment by God, one that can allow me to be the best I can be, even when I blow it…does this person have the “RIGHT STUFF?”

This young man did. It was evident right away in just his voice alone. Very pleasing to the ears…He was also VERY, VERY, articulate and knew many things….he still amazes me with his wide range of knowledge. Anyway, I kept watch in a very comfortable seat, (we have one of the biggest Starbucks around I heard…use to be an Arby’s.) I listened and he had mentioned a “need” of an adapter to another guy he was talking to, for his computer. I thought, “hey I was just blessed with a gift card from the church of a generous amount (times are hard for me, as I try and keep my home my ex walked away from) anyway, I had an opportunity to meet a need seeing as this one is “special” I know he is and I want to find out why. So, I offered to buy the part if he so desired…he said, he’d rather have food…long story short. I bought him food instead (and fed two others) and this APPOINTMENT led to an awesome person, yet one who is an example of my original post on the subject of how ones intelligence or what they are able to do…is often based on many attributes as proven earlier. DESIRE and MOTIVE, followed by ACTION!....Amen!

Although this young man is living in a tent, and smokes hand rolled cigarettes, giving him that Bob Marley look the final touch, has to take his pit bull everywhere (one of the dogs went back to owner) has no car, no mother she died when he was 16 (she was white and on drugs from Berkley Ca) never knew father, no family at all, (at least I have my boys) he has no one.…well, he does have me if he wants….and I told him so. What he does have is a hard work ethic…yes, he is one of those with a sign “will work for money or food etc” at the store or on the rd….but he actually does do work and prefers it, he feels we should earn our keep. He actually gets upset at those who abuse the system….he has a strong sense of right and wrong, is others centered, very knowledgeable, articulate, manners (even opens my door, like I taught my boys to do…they would all get along) respectful, thoughtful, doesn’t have entitlement issues and so much of what I said makes an intelligent effective individual. I asked him where he learned his old fashion manners from?...he said his grandparents pretty much raised him and they were that way etc. I got it, because that was how I was raised, my overall family were law abiding citizens (except for abuse which they didn’t deal with back then) and responsible etc. Thing is and I questioned him on this today…WHAT ARE YOUR PASSIONS?…YOU ARE TOO SMART TO NOT BE YOUR OWN BOSS.

But, he echoed an often sad truth…”HE HAS NO PASSIONS…What???".... can I give you some of mine? I told him he is very smart and articulate, is very friendly and has no trouble meeting people, like me…I GET YOU, YOU ARE LIKE ME, but you have to think about the future, I know what it is like to do labor work all my life, not finishing high school (did get GED) and now at 50, I want to use my brain more than my brawn…I told him, “you can use your brain now…be your own boss” I’ve done it twice since my 20’s and I am going to do it again, I know it, I have FAITH!

But like my last article stated, we NEED to learn from others ,we need to put into practice all the factors that makes one successful…especially in this day and age, why not stand out?…be that 1%. Everyone has gifts and talents….so let’s USE THEM, let’s ENCOURAGE THEM…don’t settle. Well, he had many EXCUSES, the number one LIE Satan tells us to keep us from being ALL WE CAN BE. He says he is content living in the woods, till winter at least. He is weed eating for me this last week…today should be the last day, but he even wants to do MORE than I expected with the weed eating (That is always how I was to others all my life and for years I have wondered, do such people exist?…yes they do) he is worried about fire safety and is working off the money he owes to the guy who parked his rv on my property for a month, they knew each other from BERKLEY (3 hours away)…small world huh?….so it works for everyone.

Another obstacle to real growth and heading in the right direction of fullness for himself, is his brain is keeping him from KNOWING GOD…I’ve tried to present truth…basically it started with my saying, “Christianity isn’t a religion”….Got heated one day, we’ve made up….Let’s just say he isn’t ready, so I present in other small ways. I heard that in order for a person to get saved they have to have 7 positive contacts, till then, who knows I may just be number 2?...many my kids ages (for I mess them and may be why, God has done that, REPLACEMENTS...like the safe people) all I am called to do is be faithful to God and others….for he is a “SAFE PERSON”….God has sent me so many good ones lately…I’ve learned what to look for now or at least more so than I use to…personally, I just think people are getting worse not better, just like the bible said they would. I can honestly say that although I’ve only known him only a month, I can say we are “FRIENDS”…most of my friends growing up were guys, as I’m a tomboy at heart and into sports etc. and basically just “down to earth” and "open"…I make a good BUDDY, so as long as he keeps being respectful to me and as a woman and doesn’t get verbally or physically sexual….I don’t see why God can’t use it for His glory.

May God use both of us to improve each other’s life…Amen!
 
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Matt22:37-39

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It just dawned on me, clean up the "religious" stuff at the end, or I can put it in the religious section...don't know never did this before?...But I was just told by God to submit this to the local newspaper. It would be a COMMUNITY ARTICLE...sounds good huh?
 

Matt22:37-39

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See, no one is able to say anything nice.....thanks for proving me right

TRUTH always wins..:)

Well according to this and what it takes to be an editor, looks like I'm on the right track baby....many on my Fb said I absolutely should submit the article above...Guess the HATERS on here lose again...lol

http://www.geneseo.edu/~bennett/EdWrite.htm
 
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annsni

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She's baiting.

That I agree with. I have to say that I see the "I'm so glad I'm not like that man" attitude in her. (Luke 18)

"For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
 

Matt22:37-39

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Nope just goes to show who is of God and who isn't...might want to read 1 JOHN.

Ann all you do is exalt yourself and never give a kind word....I know whose side you are on. Bet your favorite color is green...lol
 
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