What is wrong with Kentucky?

Opinions certainly vary. I don't even think UConn is in Dukes category, but I am looking at the programs from when basketball first began not just in recent times. UConn has not been that good for that long. In fact, UConn had some horrible teams not too long ago.

This post makes #500!!!

 

Here is anothe rlink:

http://www.ncaa.org/stats/m_basketball/all_time_wins/2004_all_time_wins.pdf

 

FTR, you are correct that that the website has an error. Kentucky actually won seven- count 'em, seven, tourney championships during the 90's, not one, so I guess 7 to 6 DOES give KY the edge, there? Maybe? The Pastor finally admitted that this was 'his opinion'. I'll give that. I still think that today, that UConn is number one. IF I had to pick a coach, I'd probably go with Coaches C & K, as the second and third best, and not even necessarily in that order. Fourth thru ninth? I dunno' how about picking from Roy at NC, Tom Izzo with the Spartans, Jimmy at Syracuse, Sweater Bobby K. at TX Tch, and Rick and Tubby in the BG state. I'm not even going to try for #ten, in the coaching world. But coaches was not the question, "Who is the current best program is?" is. I wish I could say UK, but today I can't. And I've tried to base mine on facts, not 'ideals'. Over the history of 'Big Time' college Basketball, I have to say the top four to six are UK, UNC, UCLA, Kansas, Michigan, Indiana, with Duke, Syracuse, and UConn and OK ST. knocking on the door trying to get in as UCLA tries to leave. But that was never the question, so I didn't address that. Were I to base this on just the last 15 years, I would have it a three way tie with UK, UNC, and Duke, with maybe a slight edge for Duke has three titles with two each for the other two. But the question is who is the best now? IMO, and I freely admit that it is my opinion, the answer is still UConn. Should Duke win the title, this year, I would agree that now it is Duke. If UConn were to win, would you admit UConn? I think they are the teams to beat, with little question. I don't think either is going to be confused with the '92 Devils who, led by Laettner, Hurley and the Hill boys, cleaned the clock of the 'Fab Five' by 20 pts.; or the '04 Huskies of Okafor and Jordan, where in a game with poor shooting, 'Oke' had two blocks and swept the glass for 15 rebounds, to finish off Ga Tech. Should UNC repeat or UK win, neither of which are going to happen, IMO, I'd probably go there. For that is what the record would indicate in all four scenarios. I guess we shall see.

BTW, the best coach in Div. I College Basketball today resides in Stillwater, OK. Who did you think it is? I know. After all, my name IS Eddie Sutton!
Ed

 

AF Guy, that IS an interesting link. I was surprised to find that MN, WA St., Temple, Butler, Charleston, and Wisc. Milwaukie were all old hands at the game before KY and NC put up the first peach basket; that Duke played for five years before NC; and that UCLA didn't get in to BB until 1920. Those are a few things I would not have guessed. Thanks for the link. I enjoyed it, although I DO NOT enjoy anything in pdf. format.
Ed

 

I think Duke is just one notch below KY, but since I feel UK is #1, every other team is also a notch below.

UK is not only 1st in wins, but first in winning % by quite a bit, which is more impressive in my opinion. You can view the teams by wins, %, or even by alphabetical order.

 

Pastor :

Ed:

Ed

 

All this talk about UK basketball has me fired up for the most important game of the weekend; of course that would be UK @ FL Sat night and not the bus vs birds game...

Go Wildcats!!!

 

UK (top notch)

NC
Kansas
UCLA
IU
DUKE (all next notch)

I still would put Duke a notch below UK and just a tad below the other 4 teams. So nothing I stated earlier changed.

I consider myself pretty smart when talking sports (Actually since getting closer to God, I have decreased in knowledge) However, all of this is my opinion.

I for one think John Elway was a better OVERALL QB than Joe Montana, but I am in the minority there. I just like seeing folks back their stuff up a bit with facts and not just saying so and so is the best or greatest without giving any specifics.

 

AF Guy-
Remember, we are takling about the best program today-


FTR, starting with the 95-96 season thru 2005, I admit that Duke had the better record as UK fell way down. Duke 290-60 over that time, and UK was 288-65. So I'll allow that, being the nice guy that I am, Duke's record the previous season of something like 6-20 was an abberation, which, if included, along with KY's, would boost KY, over Duke for the last twelve years. Although I have to admit, Five more losses with three more total games spread out over 10 years does't seem like that far of a fall, but maybve that's just me. I'm open to the suggestion, anyway. As I said before, it all depends on March Madness in 2006 where I wind up.
In His grace,
Ed

 

C'mon, AF guy! How can you rate "today" UCLA AND IU in the top four, and not have UConn, or even have them above Mich. St.? That one makes no sense!
Ed

 

Correction, Top Six!
Ed

 

Yep, those are the tangibles.

But there is an intangible, kind of mystique about the other ones as well (fans, etc) that you should not discount.

Did you see the movie Hoosiers?

And UCLA deserves to be there just based on the fact that they have more championships than anyone else and were dominant in the late 60s and 70s.

Anyway, all opinions still and very subjective.

 

Hey SBC Pastor,

Since you seem to be such a huge Duke fan, here is a nice article you may enjoy:


Greensboro, (NC) - Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford announced today that a foul is tentatively scheduled to be called against Duke sometime in the first half of their game with UNC in Chapel Hill, next Tuesday, February 7th.

In a joint press conference with Duke head coach Mike Krzyzewski, and ACC Director of Officials John Clougherty, Swofford said an agreement had been reached for a touch foul to be whistled on as-yet-to-be-determined Blue Devil player around the 7:00 minute mark during the first half of the game at the Smith Center.

"We are very excited to arrange something that hasn't been seen in our conference since 1998," said Swofford. "I want to personally commend Mike (Krzyzewski) for agreeing to this unconventional deal. We all know how reluctant he has been to allow any calls to go against his team."

Krzyzewski insisted that this move was purely a gesture of generosity aimed at rehabilitating his public image in light of recent lip-synching fiascos during several nationally televised games. "The camera did not catch me really uttering the BS-word during my argument with the official the other night. Those really were my lips moving but I wasn't really yelling the word. I'm sure our fans will understand."

"Mike is being a really good sport about this," noted UNC coach Roy Williams. "This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to play them with a foul being called against their squad, and to have it happen here in front of the home crowd will be especially enjoyable for our fans."

Clougherty says that unless unforeseen intimidation happens during the game, that the scheduled foul should occur without a hitch. "It all depends on whether Coach K holds up his end of the bargain and promises not to harrass our crew that evening."

Clougherty also said not to expect any more fouls to be called against Duke this season, but did not rule out the possibility of another one being called in an exhibition game in November 2006. "The Duke AD told me that they are trying to schedule Marathon Oil for a pre-season game next year and we are in discussions about perhaps calling another foul against Duke in that match-up if everyone can come to terms."

The officiating crew for the Duke vs. UNC game will not be announced publicly prior to the game in order to protect their privacy. Swofford said he anticipated a media barrage and did not want the referees to be distracted from their big task at hand. "This is a big deal and a momentous occasion for the league. We need our employees to remain focused so that they can complete their jobs in what could end up being a very difficult situation."

Game Notes: If the foul occurs on February 7th, it will be the 27th foul called against the Blue Devils in their basketball history...........
Dick Vitale and Mike Patrick will be handling the TV play by play for ESPN. Vitale says he has no idea what he will say when the foul is called against Duke but he has been placed on a prescription sedative as a preventive measure..........
A CBS 60 Minutes television crew is planning to attend the game to catch the event on tape for an upcoming expose on the Duke basketball program and how Mike Krzyzewski uses friendships and loyalty to advance his own agenda.