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What is your final authority?

What is your final authority?

  • The King James version.

    Votes: 10 35.7%

  • You

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The NIV

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The NKJV

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The RSV

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • The NRSV

    Votes: 18 64.3%

  • other

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    28
StefanM

StefanM

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KJVBibleThumper said:
And may I remind you that the early church had the original letters from Paul,Mark,John,Etc?


The early church also had apocryphal writings. They didn't have the KJV to straighten out the canon either. :rolleyes: (not to mention the OT apocryphal writings originally in the KJV). Additionally, may I remind you that the church existed before the writings of Paul, Mark, John, etc. Think Pentecost. They were saved, weren't they?

KJVBibleThumper said:

"So what you are saying is that YOU are the final authority!! Unless of course you have an open telephone to God? I can hold up the KJV and say that this is my Final Authority!!"

That's an excellent twisting of my statement. I clearly said God is my final authority. I do not worship a book. Even if I believed the KJV was perfect (which I do not), God would still be my final authority. News flash--the KJV did not die for your sins. The KJV is not sovereign. The KJV is not the creator of the universe. I know you realize all this, so please understand why a book is not my final authority.

People without a final authority according to KJVO logic: every person on the planet in 1610. Did a "final authority" appear out of nowhere? NO! The KJV is a translation--a book, not an authority.

You have a "final authority" that has been around since 1611. My final authority has been around since before the foundation of the world.

If you're asking what I use as a guideline for my life, I will tell you that it is the Bible. Do I believe one particular version is correct 100% of the time? NO. That's why I use many versions to try to get the true meaning of the scriptures. Are there many texts out there? Yes. Does consulting different texts negatively affect my Christian walk? No.
 
Marcia

Marcia

Active Member
I would like to know what peoples final authority is. I have not yet been able to get a non-KJVO person to say what his final authority is, all I get is dodges and evasions.
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The reason no one will vote who is not KJVO is because of the way you put all the various versions there as though they are not all the Word of God or as though they are different.

This is not the case. They are all the word of God. The variations are minor and do not affect any important doctrines. I would say my final authority is the Bible. Which version? It could be one of several since they all say the same thing (as long as they are not a paraphrase).
 
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Ed Edwards

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Originally posted by Marcia:
They are all the word of God. The variations are minor and do not affect any important doctrines. I would say my final authority is the Bible. Which version? It could be one of several since they all say the same thing (as long as they are not a paraphrase).
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Amen, Sister Marcia -- Preach it!
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Thank you for refreshing my bowels in
the Lord today! May God be liberal
today with blessing toward you,
your family, and your ministy. Amen.

\O/ Praise Iesus, Sonne of God \O/
 
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michelle

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This is not the case. They are all the word of God. The variations are minor and do not affect any important doctrines. I would say my final authority is the Bible. Which version? It could be one of several since they all say the same thing (as long as they are not a paraphrase).
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They do not all say the same thing. Some omitt some, and others include them. Some add to, and others don't. Some paraphrase, or twist the scriptures, others don't. Some editions render one way in one edition, and change it in another, to only change it back again. All for the love of money, pride, and mans ego of his own wisdom, and at the expense of your faith in God's promise, and providence of what He has provided for his children. Your final authority is a melting pot of different versions, that you must go to and fro, never really sure what is the true word of God. God is not the author of confusion. Nor is He in the business of money. God's truth is freely and gladly given to those who will come. Feel free to run around the maze to find the piece of cheese that the modern translators have had you run. I however, will stay on the old path, and the straight and narrow path, where our Lord graciously offers His healthy and pure food to all who will come, and to which is not difficult to find. I desire a healthy and nutritious spiritual life, to which I do not have to search for, but is freely given and provided. You all however, will receive not only an exasperating experience searching for the true word of God, but your spiritual life will show forth illness because of lack of nutrition of a good diet of healthy and pure food. Your reliance upon chemical food (imitations of the natural) will only add to your exasperation. You are also putting yourself in a position for attack from the enemy, that if your spiritual walk is not healthy, but sickly, will only make you fall to deadly disease. In other words, you are setting yourself for the possibility of deception.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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DeclareHim

New Member
Originally posted by michelle:
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This is not the case. They are all the word of God. The variations are minor and do not affect any important doctrines. I would say my final authority is the Bible. Which version? It could be one of several since they all say the same thing (as long as they are not a paraphrase).
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They do not all say the same thing. Some omitt some, and others include them. Some add to, and others don't. Some paraphrase, or twist the scriptures, others don't. Some editions render one way in one edition, and change it in another, to only change it back again. All for the love of money, pride, and mans ego of his own wisdom, and at the expense of your faith in God's promise, and providence of what He has provided for his children. Your final authority is a melting pot of different versions, that you must go to and fro, never really sure what is the true word of God. God is not the author of confusion. Nor is He in the business of money. God's truth is freely and gladly given to those who will come. Feel free to run around the maze to find the piece of cheese that the modern translators have had you run. I however, will stay on the old path, and the straight and narrow path, where our Lord graciously offers His healthy and pure food to all who will come, and to which is not difficult to find. I desire a healthy and nutritious spiritual life, to which I do not have to search for, but is freely given and provided. You all however, will receive not only an exasperating experience searching for the true word of God, but your spiritual life will show forth illness because of lack of nutrition of a good diet of healthy and pure food. Your reliance upon chemical food (imitations of the natural) will only add to your exasperation. You are also putting yourself in a position for attack from the enemy, that if your spiritual walk is not healthy, but sickly, will only make you fall to deadly disease. In other words, you are setting yourself for the possibility of deception.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
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Ok I did 2 translations above show me whats differant as far as message both versions of Romans 3:23 says I am a sinner and fall short of God's glory. She nor KJVBT will answer this because they both see the truth of what the MV's say.
 
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Ransom

Active Member
I have a new poll:

Is the above poll question loaded or intended to entrap non-KJV-onlyists?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
 
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Ed Edwards

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Amen, Brother Ransom -- Preach it!
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Thank you for refreshing my bowels in
the Lord today! May God be liberal
today with blessing toward you,
your family, and your ministy. Amen.

\O/ Praise Iesus, Sonne of God \O/
 
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Ed Edwards

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Amen, Brother StefanM -- Preach it!
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Thank you for refreshing my bowels in
the Lord today! May God be liberal
today with blessing toward you,
your family, and your ministy. Amen.

\O/ Praise Iesus, Sonne of God \O/
 
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michelle

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Ok I did 2 translations above show me whats differant as far as message both versions of Romans 3:23 says I am a sinner and fall short of God's glory. She nor KJVBT will answer this because they both see the truth of what the MV's say.
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You chose two translations that happen to agree with one another in a couple verses. What about those verses or editions that don't? Do you have the whole counsel of God or not? You all admitted to the fact, that your final authority is from all the versions. How can this be, if all differ? How is it that you determine what is God's word, and what is not? (scriptural support please) How do you determine what your final authority is? Are you relying upon guesswork? How is it that the Holy Spirit of truth, leads you to those things that have added to, or taken from his words, when God has made it very clear that this is not allowed? Does God lie, or contradict himself? Or lead one to error? Does God give you and lead you to all truth, or does He lead you to confusion and half truths? How is it that you are kept from deception, and being fed the proper nutritious food for your spiritual diet? How is it you know it is God's word when you read it?


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 
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DeclareHim

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Romans 8:2 " For the Lawe of the Spirite of life, which is in Christ Iesus hath freed mee from the lawe of sinne and death." 1611 KJV AV containing 80 books that they considered cannon! or at least Scripture. If I was KJVO I would owne a 1611 80 booke true AV.Not the 1769 revisions like all these other hypocrits that say they "love the AV" and then run out and buy a 1769 that was never authorized by anybody. 1611 for vs (us) KIVO. no "J" in english language 1611. So actually it should be KIV 1611 AI.
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StefanM

StefanM

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Just a thought, but wouldn't it be refreshing to have a KJVO argue for the legitimacy of the apocrypha? At least then they'd have a better argument for taking something out of the Bible!
 
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DeclareHim

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Yea but I can't find a KJVO that believes the apocrypha is right. You know just cause I AI had it doesn't mean it was "cannon".
 
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Pastor Larry

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I can hold up the KJV and say that this is my Final Authority!!
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You can also hold up an ice cream cone that it is an airplane, but you will be wrong then as well.

How do I know the KJV isn't your final authority? Becuase your doctrine of the KJV cannot be found anywhere in teh KJV. It is a doctrine that you impose on the KJV, thus showing your underlying authority is not the KJV.
 
Dr. Bob

Dr. Bob

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Originally posted by Orvie:
What Final Authority did the biased Anglican translators of the KJV have?
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Excellent.

Of course, they had a couple Greek texts (sadly, not the best), a Hebrew text, a Latin text (or we wouldn't have some verses in the Anglican Version, and other English translations.

So do I.

THESE (not me and certainly not the Anglican Version) are the final authority.
 
Marcia

Marcia

Active Member
They do not all say the same thing. Some omitt some, and others include them. Some add to, and others don't. Some paraphrase, or twist the scriptures, others don't. Some editions render one way in one edition, and change it in another, to only change it back again. All for the love of money, pride, and mans ego of his own wisdom, and at the expense of your faith in God's promise, and providence of what He has provided for his children. Your final authority is a melting pot of different versions, that you must go to and fro, never really sure what is the true word of God. God is not the author of confusion.
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Michelle, since I became a believer a little over 13 years ago, I have used about 5 versions of the Bible and I have yet to be confused by their minor differences. The verses that you think are "left out" of the MV's do not alter any doctrine of the Christian faith. I am edified and uplifted by the Word.

You can't impose your fears and misinformed prejudices on me -- I am very happy with the Bibles I read. I love reading them. God is bigger than the small differences between them and the Holy Spirit works through His word whether it is the NKJV, the NASB, or the NET Bible.
 
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