What is YOUR meaning of FUNDAMENTALIST?

[HankD]

It is only malicious when you use your convictions as a guide to determine who is a “true believer” and who is not.

I understand, however there is the possibility and circumstance that I just might fulfill your definition of "malicious". If I were in a position of authority such as a pastor and through heart felt concern for the flock was backed into a corner as to making a choice as to recommending fellowship or disfellowship with an "evolutionist" then I might have to act in a "malicious" manner though even in this case it would be still be of conviction and duty to protect the flock and I would be grieved.

Ultimately we have to answer to Him for the deeds done in the body as to whether our motives were pure relating to our various ministries as under-shephards of His flock or defiled by self-importance, peer-pressure, financial gain, etc.

In addition we are told in various ways to watch for the evil one and his disguises: wolves in sheeps clothing, swine and our pearls, etc.

In this I will agree: motive, it means almost (underline almost) everything. If my motive is wrong then it will be obvious to most folk (and unbeknown to me) so, I agree in this respect, that we must pay close attention to others and their perception of our motives, especially our "enemies" , your "enemies" are more apt to tell you the truth than your friends. Some one else said that, I forget who.

HankD

 

[Charlotte Marcel]

Oh Brother Ed, may I join Wisdom Seekers support group too? Talk about grace under pressure. Well done Laurenda.

I would descripe Fundamentalism as adhereing to the basic fundamentals of the Bible.
The inspiration and infallibility of God's word.
The diety of Christ and virgin birth.
The blood atonement of our sin debt paid in full by Christ's sinless sacrifice with his death on the Cross.
The resurrection of Christ from the dead in 3 days, fortold in prophesy.
The return of Christ in the Second coming.
The trinity of God the father, God the son, and God the Holy spirit.
The belief that God is the creator of the universe and had no biginning as he always was and also has no end.
The belief that God is omnipresent, omnipotent and omnicient.

" Ism's" do usually have a negative connontation though. I prefer to say that I am a Fundamental Baptist, rather than a "Fundamentalist."

God Bless You,
Charlotte

editted for spelling and grammer.

[ May 01, 2003, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Charlotte Marcel ]

 

[C.S. Murphy]

At the risk of oversimplification let me say that YES a literal 6 day creation is spoken and believed in this forum. Why? basically because the Bible seems clear enough on the subject and also because when there is so much to discuss and even fight about that is not clearly presented in scripture why waste time on one that is so clear.
Murph

 

[Baptist Believer]

Originally posted by C.S. Murphy:
At the risk of oversimplification let me say that YES a literal 6 day creation is spoken and believed in this forum.

Is this interpretation required for participation in this forum?

 

[Haruo]

Originally posted by Baptist Believer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by C.S. Murphy:
At the risk of oversimplification let me say that YES a literal 6 day creation is spoken and believed in this forum.

Is this interpretation required for participation in this forum? </font>[/QUOTE]I've run afoul of this sort of thing in this forum before, myself, and while no one has bothered to clue me in on what the boundaries are it strikes me that this issue might be better raised in the Baptist Theology forum. **comments that imo deny the truth of scripture removed** but that this is not the best place to argue the point, even if the moderators don't simply cut you off.

Haruo

[ May 02, 2003, 12:19 PM: Message edited by: C.S. Murphy ]

 

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by Edifier:

The basics of Fundamentalism are:

1. the inspiration and infallibility of Scripture
2. the diety of Christ
3. the substitutinary atonement of Christ's death
4. the literal resurrection of Christ from the dead
5. the literal return of Christ in the Second Advent

I believe a fundamentalist is one who
adheres to these basic fundamentals and
gives emphasis to them in their life and
ministry.

I agree with 2 (although I think you meant 'deity' unless there was a very lateral reference to the Real Presence there ), 3, 4 and 5. As far as 1 is concerned, I accept 'inspired by God' but I regard terms such as 'infallible' and 'inerrant' to be unhelpful and unnecessarily divisive, particularly when coupled with a demand for literal interpretation (interestingly, literalism isn't in your list); I prefer the UK Evangelical Alliance's phrase of "entire trustworthiness and supreme authority in matters of faith and conduct" or "authoritative and trustworthy in matters of doctrine and practice".

So, you tell me, am I a fundamentalist or a liberal, or some kind of hybrid animal?

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[HankD]

But I am only answering the basic question of the thread: What is YOUR definition of FUNDAMENTALIST?

To repeat and refine my position (FWIW), I think any defintion of fundamentals should include an affirmation of a six day creation which most defintions of fundamentalism do not contain.
It is true that by and large many, perhaps most, fundamentalist do affirm it. But some do not.

If they do not, then personally I would require (if I were in a position of authority related to others taking up a ministry within the local church) an affirmation of the literalness of Adam as a person, his sin with its consequence of death resulting in the expulsion from the Garden of Eden. Apart from this minimum, the human race becomes the product of an allegory and sin is a reduced to a myth.
If Adam is an allegory then so are we his children. Christ came to save real people not figurative or allegorical people from sin and death, not a myth.

Without a literal identity of Adam, the Gospel of salvation falls apart as to the doctrine of sin and death. Taken to its logical conclusion, death becomes a normal biological function with no spiritual significance. Out of this humanistic view comes the justification of abortion, mercy-killing, cloning, genetic engineering, etc...

In addition, a non-literal Adam is a denial of the inerrant nature of the Scriptures with both the Old and New Testaments affirming Adam as a literal and real person.

And lastly, if Adam is not a literal person, what then of the image and likeness of God?
What exactly did Christ save?

Personally I think the six day creation doctrine
(or at very least an affirmation of Adam and Eve as literal people) is very important and should be a part of any definition of the Fundamentals of the Faith.

My personal conviction is that as time goes on the theory of evolution (disguised as science so-called) will manifest its underlying rebellion against God and His salvation more and more in society and open the door to a host of abominations (as has already begun).

Will six day creationist be called ignorant and naive? Of course. What else is new?

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

My opinion of course (well not the Scripture, that's not an opinion).

OK I'll be quiet now (unless provoked)

HankD

 

[bapterian]

A fundamentalists is one who holds to the fundamentals of the Christian faith.


The Bible is the authoritative Word of God.

Virgin birth of Jesus and His Diety (He is fully God and fully man).

Substitutionary Atonement of Jesus' Death.

Faith in Christ alone for salvation.

Jesus' Bodily Resurrection.

His Second Coming.


Keep in mind that politically-labeled "moderates" can hold to the same beliefs as stated above.

 

[Matt Black]

In that case I'm a fundamentalist (Can you get counselling for it? )(runs and takes cover!)

Yours in Christ

Matt

 

[C.S. Murphy]

Originally posted by Baptist Believer:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by C.S. Murphy:
At the risk of oversimplification let me say that YES a literal 6 day creation is spoken and believed in this forum.

Is this interpretation required for participation in this forum? </font>[/QUOTE]No but it is my intention to edit comments that IMO deny the truths of scripture.

Look at Harou's post: I've run afoul of this sort of thing in this forum before, myself, and while no one has bothered to clue me in on what the boundaries are it strikes me that this issue might be better raised in the Baptist Theology forum.

Let me answer his two questions
#1 no one has bothered to clue me in.
I feel that one would not have to hang around here long to figure it out but for future reference Pastor Bob and I are discussing a mission statement for the forum. If we can develop this it will not be a do not enter sign but rather I hope it will better explain what the forum is all about.
#2 This issue would be better raised in the theology forum.
Actually it would probuly be better raised in the creation/evolution forum. The reason this forum was begun is in part because before issues discussed in the theology forum were met by some who deny what the Bible says.

Murph

 

[LadyEagle]

I feel that one would not have to hang around here long to figure it out but for future reference Pastor Bob and I are discussing a mission statement for the forum.

Great idea, Murph!

 

[Charlotte Marcel]

I read the mission statement.

Thank you for it. Sometimes the petty meanness really detracts from the discussions here. If that is done away with, it should be a much better atmosphere on the whole.

God Bless You,
Charlotte