what kind of baptist are you

Cynic obviously has some experience with the BJCPA

 

I was a member of an independent missionary baptist church for about 10 years.We are now southern baptist.I love them both!

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhoneycutt:
Cynic
And your reason for the question about BJCPA is?
Russell<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If a Personnel Committee deals with personnel matters; if a Long Range Planning Committee plans for a long range; if a Lord's Supper Committee prepares the Lord's Supper... does the Baptist Joint Committee smoke joints?

 

real Baptist

 

Sorry Cynic,
Went right over my head.

Tom,
I assume you supported defunding BJCPA when SBC did it in favor of CLC.
RSH

Im gonna need a glossary for these DGT

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> I assume you supported defunding BJCPA when SBC did it in favor of CLC.
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Yes. Why financially support something with CP dollars that does not reflect Baptist idealogy, theology, or practice? I support the convention defunding any supposed entity which breaks away towards self-perpetuation and yet still wants CP monies. It is wrong for an entity to say "We don't want to be accountable to you, but we still want your money."

And the CLC is now the ERLC

 

Tom, charitable organizations receive money from people all the time without people demanding control over how the money is spent. If a group supports their goals, they can give - if not, they don't have to.

The Baptist Joint Committee represents a much more broad cross-section of baptists than the current SBC is comfortable with. (Heck, look at D.C., the current SBC isn't even comfortable cooperting with the ABC.) As the doctrinal lines get more and more narrow within the SBC, it will get harder and harder for them to do any kind of collaborative work.

Joshua

 

Joshua,
The BJCPA is not a charitable organization. Far from it. You know this. But even charitable organizations have some sense of accountability to its donors.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> If a group supports their goals, they can give - if not, they don't have to. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly - which is one of the major reasons why the SBC defunded BJCPA. The SBC didn't want to support the ACLU, People for the American Way (Ironic name) and partisan hacks like Barry Lynn.

 

Tom, perhaps I should have said "non-profit organizations that work for the public good through donations." "Charitable" just seemed shorter.

I think the defunding of groups like AU and the Joint Committee are indicators of the shift (or split) in how politically and socially active baptists view the role of baptists in public policy. Previously those views were shaped by ivory tower, liberal academic types. Those folks are still there, but the Christian Coalition and its allies have mobilized a whole mass of conservative evangelicals who take, shall we say, a different approach.

Nevertheless, I think Barry Lynn is no more partisan than Paige Patterson. The party line has just moved, and they're now on opposite sides of it.

Joshua

 

Barry Lynn and Paige Patterson in the same sentence? Wow

Actually, I can't remember ever hearing Barry Lynn say anything good about W or bad about Clinton. Patterson has blasted W over MFN for China and other Christian-persecuting states, for one example.

 

Joshua, We are on different sides of most issues and different ages, so we see things from different views. So be it.
Liberal Academic is the last group that I would want in charge of anything . I recall them just wanted a voice and then took over so many IFB and SBC schools, as well as other denominations schools. They come in saying they agree with 90% to everything and then when they get the power you find out that they agree with 60% or less. If you don't agree with them you are called lacking a good education so we can't use you.
Look at why Alva McClain and his people started Grace Theological Seminary and Grace College, liberals in his denomination.
Look at the fuss the liberals in the schools and printing arm of the SBC had over books of R. G. Lee and W. A. Criswell.
I have even seen preacher who were liberal come into churches and hid that fact then slowly feed in their doctrine, alot of that went on lets say from the 40's on.
I wasted time at Union Theological in Richmond, because you had to get your education from the right schools, you can say right school, wrong doctrines. You need the right paper trail. For me it was a waste of my time to get the right paper trail, how sad.
So what is the big deal, it is going the other way in the SBC now and liberals don't like it. Yes liberals do take over better, they come in smiling saying they agree with you for the most part and then get in control and take over, which at that point if you aren't liberal you are pushed aside because you haven't kept up in their eyes.
I recall the fights well.

 

Me, well I'm just an old fashioned preachin'
baptist!

 

I'm the good kind

 

Well, livin', I see you are the same kind of Baptist as I. And I thought I was the only one here.

 

PreacherDave & I are:
1. Born again by the sovereign work of electing love by the Almighty God whose only Right Arm has worked salvation on behalf of His own! Salvation by Christ alone, by God's grace alone, by faith alone.
2. Immersionist-Baptists (Not "duh"...I heard recently that there are some kind of Baptists considering sprinkling!!)
3. Bible-believing...Sola Scriptura...we cling to the Bible as the inspired, infallible, complete, sufficient Word of God. We believe the KJV/NKJV is the most accurate but will not disparage other Christians who use other versions.
4. Inclusive of all who are bought with the blood of Jesus, as are we...whether they are other "kinds" of Baptists, Lutherans (some believe as Luther taught...sola fida), Presbyterians, Nazarenes, etc.
5. Non-Charismatic. Been there. Done that.
6. Non-Denominational. Been there. Done that. No condemnation to those who are in a denomination. We just don't desire to be there again.
7. We believe in the "doctrines of grace", that is, what some call "Calvinists." So we are Baptists like John Bunyan & Charles Spurgeon.
8. We are partial-preterist, amil Baptists. What does that mean? We are looking for Jesus' coming at anytime, and don't sweat the dispensational stuff.
9. We attempt to be dogmatic about doctrine, but not about dogma. Compassionate toward the needy, hard on heresy; insistent on evangelism.
10. That joy & reverence can live together in a Biblical church, a Baptist Christian and a Christian life!!

 

Born Again Baptist, Non-Conformist Missionary Baptist, Indepentent from all outside Forces, Dependent on GOD.

I was a sbc deacon for 7 years, I found for
the most part, the preaching was anemic or bland with no real help for todays world,

so after much prayer i jumped ship and went
to the Independent movement only to find them
very cliquish and pharisaical and alot of the
time very unhappy,

I didn't want to join up with the Protestant Baptist Conglomeration which is
for the most part anemic and bland, and has
a large number of Anglophobic Bible Critics,

So I'm going to just stay out of Religious
Politics, Debates, Cliqics and just serve the
local church in Gods will and let Jesus come
back and spank the whole crowd,

I'm talking about churches that I have been
around, and not lumping them all together,
I'm not trying to draw Criticism from the tares that troll the board.

 

"Loved and Forgiven, Back With The Living, I'm Just A Sinner Saved By Grace."

 

I can't really say what kind of Baptist I am, because I sympathize with the Conservatives on some things and the moderates on others. It seems like nowadays in Southern Baptist life you have to be totally in agreement with all things each side stands for--or you're not the "right" kind of Baptist.

 

I know what you mean, Jimmy. I, too, am a "lone wolf" Baptist.

- Clint

 

Fundamental Independant Saved by Grace Baptist