After all the dishonesty you have shown me, in the past, I hardly welcome your support. It seems you are just as judgemental as anyone else with your first statement, here.
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What makes a couple married
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After all the dishonesty you have shown me, in the past, I hardly welcome your support. It seems you are just as judgemental as anyone else with your first statement, here.
Sigh..........
is that all I need to say to get married?
This fits my desription of a ficticious couple on a deserted island...no minister or government to marry them...but they covenant before God to join until death.
HOWEVER, were that couple to live in my town in midwestern U.S. To forego the minister and government license would be to bring needless questions of purity on them, and a loving, leading man who really loved his bride-to-be, would not put her through that shame of a percieved "shacking-up" just to prove a point that he doesn't need anyone to marry them...(just as, by the way, a godly young man will not go spend the night at his girlfriend's house with just the 2 of them...even if they just watch TV and then sleep in different rooms...He is needlessly opening her up to charges of immorality...not being very loving to her.)
That said, I can foresee a time in which government definitions of marraige are meaningless, so many Christians my chose to only have a ceremony with their church, but not get the govt. license.
You are so polite, even when someone agrees with you.
It is a foolish person who does not agree with another on one point, even if that person is wrong on so many others.
My first statement is speculation. I did not make a definite statement. I said, "It seems to me .............." That is not a judgmental statement. If I were to make a judgmental statement I would say "That couple is definitely ...........
I am and have been thinking this subject over and have not come to firm conclusions. I do welcome other rational comments on this and I am open to change if I see another person's statement to be truth[/].
Please. After the comments you have made about me wanting my spouse to die, and the twists & distortions you have added to my words, I would be a fool to fight alongside of you. We are not friends, and I despise just about everything you have tried to do to this blog site.
No, we cannot be friends.
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I know my position bothers a lot of people I otherwise get along with, but really. Where am I wrong ?
Also, the point of the stumbling block it puts up for weak Christians is a good one.
A promise in front of God, to each other, is as good as a promise in front of God and the state, to each other. The breaking of either is the sin, and both just as grave as the other.
A promise in front of God, to each other, is as good as a promise in front of God and the state, to each other. The breaking of either is the sin, and both just as grave as the other.
You said it in the commitment to each other , not to the children. If the husband and wife meet each other needs there will be more then enough love left over for the children. Oh how I hate to hear the statement, All I live for is my children".
Marriage is a contract between a man and a woman. With vows to honor Love and be true to one another the vows are a sworn oath to abide by the vows.
MB
The objective of my post.
Two people, ratified.
Therefore what would create adultery?
I think we also have to keep in mind that verse 24 Gen 2 follows verse 23 And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Also keeping in mind that this taken from him was as a help meet, which I think has the same connotation as the Greek word for Comforter, the Holy Spirit.
They two shall be one flesh. I don't know what all this means but somehow believe it to be relevant, baring in mind that Paul uses the same words concerning Christ and the church.
Throughout history, there have been classes of people, slaves, servants, etc, who could not legally marry. If legal ratification is impossible, are they living in sin? No, they are living according to God's law, not man's. God said leave, cleave, & become one flesh. He didn't say secular approval was necessary. Now, I am not saying we should not obtain state licensing. I'm just answering the question of Biblical marriage which God recognizes. Biblical marriage is right regardless of secular law just as adultery is wrong regardless of secular law.
Adultery is created when either spouse breaks his/her vow by giving any portion or part of the physical or emotional marital relationship to another person.
Hey CTB...I'm still Waiting for Your Answer???
What Does CTB Say A Marriage Is?
CTB says, "What makes a marriage in God's eye? "
RD2 asks, "Before I even answer this, I want to hear the inner thinkings of CTB on this question he so wel posed! Well. I'm waiting!"
:wavey: And I guess, I'm still waiting, as this is my second attempt to get the Crab to answer the same question he asks everyone else to answer! :wavey:
What Does CTB Say A Marriage Is?
CTB says, "What makes a marriage in God's eye? "
RD2 asks, "Before I even answer this, I want to hear the inner thinkings of CTB on this question he so wel posed! Well. I'm waiting!"
:wavey: And I guess, I'm still waiting, as this is my second attempt to get the Crab to answer the same question he asks everyone else to answer! :wavey:
Righteous, I ask the question attempting to gain an understanding. I have not come to a conclusion on the answer. Also I am interested in the difference in being married and having a marriage. My feeling is just because a couple is married does not mean they have a marriage. I am not at all sure how God views this situation.
How about helping us out here.
Well said! :thumbs:
What if someone knows that for some medical or accident reason that they cannot have kids...should they never get married?
I think I know what you are trying to say, but I think the words you are using muddy the issue. If a couple has made marraige vows, and because of sin on one or both's part, then I would say they are still married, AND they also have a marraige. I don't see how these can mean 2 different things according to normal english usage. I would simply say they have a "struggling" marraige, or a "bad" marraige, or a "hate-filled" marraige.
I don't think God sees their marraige as any less valid, just one that is filled with more sin than love. It does not give them recourse to absolve the marraige on the excuse that "Well, it's like we're no longer married anyway." They are forgetting the covenant part if they do that.
Here's some great lyrics to another Andrew Peterson song about marriage:
Oh, lets go dancing in the minefields,
And sailing in the storms,
Oh, this is harder than we dreamed,
But I believe that's what the promise is for.
That's what the promise is for.