What makes people Gay:Just in the last few months, the hints have grown stronger

[ASLANSPAL]

=my comment Bob Schenck is about as conservative
as they come ,rabidly anti-Clinton in the 90's.

This accumulating biological evidence, combined with the prospect of more on the horizon, is having an effect. Last month, the Rev. Rob Schenck, a prominent Washington, D.C., evangelical leader, told a large gathering of young evangelicals that he believes homosexuality is not a choice but rather a predisposition, something "deeply rooted" in people. Schenck told me that his conversion came about after he'd spoken extensively with genetic researchers and psychologists. He argues that evangelicals should continue to oppose homosexual behavior, but that "many evangelicals are living in a sort of state of denial about the advance of this conversation." His message: "If it's inevitable that this scientific evidence is coming, we have to be prepared with a loving response. If we don't have one, we won't have any credibility."

my comment=It is up to you whether he is being
pragmatic and wise but the voices are just not
coming from one side of the church spectrum it
is coming from the conservative side as well.

What makes People Gay?

A well done article,well thought out and covering
alot of different angles.

*It will read for 3 pages then you must register
to read the rest...it is well worth it as we continue to try and gain wisdom and understanding in this much debated issue.

sincerely
Aslanspal

 

[Scott J]

God called it sin.

Is sin in our natures? Yes. Is it possible that some people are predisposed in one direction or another? Yes. Does that mean that disobeying God is OK since we are "made that way"? No... and one of the most cruel things any Christian can do is give a sinner an excuse not to repent.

 

[Johnv]

If it is discovered that it is an inborn disposition, it will certainly help us to understand the situation better. However, we as Christians are still scripturally required to refrain from sexual activity outside a scripturally defined marriage. That includes sex between persons of the same gender, as well as persons of the opposing gender.

 

[StefanM]

Originally posted by Scott J:
God called it sin.

Is sin in our natures? Yes. Is it possible that some people are predisposed in one direction or another? Yes. Does that mean that disobeying God is OK since we are "made that way"? No... and one of the most cruel things any Christian can do is give a sinner an excuse not to repent.

Agreed.

 

[carpro]

Being "predisposed" is hardly an excuse for aberrant behavior. All of us are "predisposed" to commit sin. That's the way we are born. The struggle is in not giving in to those "predispositions". Christ will help us win those struggles.

 

[StefanM]

Originally posted by carpro:
Being "predisposed" is hardly an excuse for aberrant behavior. All of us are "predisposed" to commit sin. That's the way we are born. The struggle is in not giving in to those "predispositions". Christ will help us win those struggles.

Amen!

 

[just-want-peace]

--it is well worth it as we continue to try and gain wisdom and understanding in this much debated issue.

Pro 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Pro 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

If the above is the type of wisdom you refer to, I agree; however if it's the wisdom of man (God says this, but He means THIS) then I certainly dis-agree with you!

Too much attention is given to whether homosexuality is "natural/genetic/inborn" and not enough to what God said about it.

Even should it prove to be such, that does nothing to negate the frivilous assault the homos have tried (?) to launch on society in their bid for acceptance and/or approval.

I have a predisposition to heterosexuality, but that in no way would excuse my committing adultry/rape etc.

The focus should be on the actions, not the predisposition!

 

[Ps104_33]

Some men are predisposed toward young boys. Does that make it normal? If Homosexuality is something that is genetic and they cant help it, then the same goes for those into bestiality and pedophilia.

 

[Scott J]

True Ps104_33.

What exactly about us genetically prevents people from desiring children? Is there anything "naturally" speaking?

I think it is a restraint of conscience, not nature.

This idea of something feeling "natural" or being predisposition is very dangerous ground.

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
God called it sin.

Is sin in our natures? Yes. Is it possible that some people are predisposed in one direction or another? Yes. Does that mean that disobeying God is OK since we are "made that way"? No... and one of the most cruel things any Christian can do is give a sinner an excuse not to repent.

Agreed.

</font>[/QUOTE]Amen!

 

[patrick]

I am predisposed to acholism. That is because of personality, temperment, etc. All humans are born with a sinful nature. We do not just say "little billy gay, that is all right." It is still sin.

 

[Scott J]

Originally posted by Scott J:
True Ps104_33.

What exactly about us genetically prevents people from desiring children? Is there anything "naturally" speaking?

I think it is a restraint of conscience, not nature.

This idea of something feeling "natural" or being predisposition is very dangerous ground.

I should have been more clear. I meant the idea of a "predisposition" being an excuse or means of rationalization is dangerous.

What can't be rationalized by saying "I was predisposed to do it"?

What if we feel predisposed to kill our spouses and replace them every 5 years? What do you do with the person who says they are predisposed naturally to be so strongly heterosexual and offended by homosexuals that they kill them on sight?

But those things can't be true, right? Well, I don't know, let's pour billions in research dollars down the drain to find out... just like we have with trying to rationalize homosexuality.

 

[BillyMac]

If we learn what causes it, maybe we can learn how to cure it or how to prevent it.........

WAIT!!!........ I KNOW HOW to prevent it.

Don't do it!!!

hmmmmm......... somehow that seems too simple. LOL

 

[ASLANSPAL]

Some Post script on the twin boy it is heart wrenching but also filled with hope.


Page 11 of 11 --Meanwhile, the mother of twins Patrick and Thomas has done her own sifting and come to her own conclusions. She says her son's feminine behavior suggests he will grow up to be gay, and she has no problem with that. She just worries about what happens to him between now and then.


Breaking News Alerts After that fateful call from Patrick's school, she says, "I knew I had to talk to my son, and I had no clue what to say." Ultimately, she told him that although he could play however he wanted at home, he couldn't tell his classmates he was a girl, because they'd think he was lying. And she told him that some older boys might be mean to him and even hit him if he continued to claim he was a girl.

Then she asked him, "Do you think that you can convince yourself that you are a boy?"

"Yes, Mom," he said. "It's going to be like when I was trying to learn to read, and then one day I opened the book and I could read."

His mother's heart sank. She could tell that he wanted more than anything to please her. "Basically, he was saying there must be a miracle - that one day I wake up and I'm a boy. That's the only way he could imagine it could happen."

In the year since that conversation, Patrick's behavior has become somewhat less feminine. His mother hopes it's just because his interests are evolving and not because he's suppressing them.

"I can now imagine him being completely straight, which I couldn't a year ago," she says. "I can imagine him being gay, which seems to be statistically most likely."

She says she's fine with either outcome, just as long as he's happy and free from harm. She takes heart in how much more accepting today's society is. "By the time my boys are 20, the world will have changed even more."

By then, there might even be enough consensus for researchers to forget about finger lengths and fruit flies and gay sheep, and move on to a new mystery.

 

[hillclimber]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by StefanM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scott J:
God called it sin.

Is sin in our natures? Yes. Is it possible that some people are predisposed in one direction or another? Yes. Does that mean that disobeying God is OK since we are "made that way"? No... and one of the most cruel things any Christian can do is give a sinner an excuse not to repent.

Agreed.

</font>[/QUOTE]Amen!

</font>[/QUOTE]another Amen

 

[Johnv]

I reiterate. If it is discovered that being gay is an inborn disposition, it will certainly help us to understand the situation better. However, we as Christians are still scripturally required to refrain from sexual activity outside a scripturally defined marriage. That includes sex between persons of the same gender, as well as persons of the opposing gender.

I may be a born sinner, but to use that as an excuse for my behavior is unacceptible. Yes, knowing that I'm born into sin helps me to underatand myself more, but it is still unacceptible to condone my sin.