I know this is one of those reverberating topics on these boards, but there was recently another thread which touched upon it, and I thought we may not have been direct enough. The answer options are overlapping, but chances are that opinions may be, too.
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What might justify lying?
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When describing the "movement" of the stars, which everyone knows isn't the movement we observe. We're observing the movement of the earth.
So we can say the sun rises, even though it's false. Jesus said it, too. He said His Father "maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good."
So we can say the sun rises, even though it's false. Jesus said it, too. He said His Father "maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good."
I think it would be easier to do it the other way around.
Lying is wrong when you use it to
a) Steal from someone. (Failing to disclose when selling something. Saying something is yours when it isn’t. etc.j
b) Make up information to falsely accuse someone else of a crime.
c) Commit adultery. (Telling your spouse you are doing something other than cheating on him/her.)
d) Murder someone.
e) Hurt someone.
I chose to keep from hurting someone’s feelings and national security.
The first two - avoiding and stalling danger to oneself or others is heavily dependent on the situation. I always think of the three wise men in this case.
Some think lying by ommision is ok. For the most part, I think it isn’t if the other person would expect the information to be given.
I believe that lying to a dying person is one of the worst things you can do.
I don’t like being told things in confidence. But if it occurs like on my job on a regular basis, I simply won’t talk about it. I won’t lie.
Marty
Lying is wrong when you use it to
a) Steal from someone. (Failing to disclose when selling something. Saying something is yours when it isn’t. etc.j
b) Make up information to falsely accuse someone else of a crime.
c) Commit adultery. (Telling your spouse you are doing something other than cheating on him/her.)
d) Murder someone.
e) Hurt someone.
I chose to keep from hurting someone’s feelings and national security.
The first two - avoiding and stalling danger to oneself or others is heavily dependent on the situation. I always think of the three wise men in this case.
Some think lying by ommision is ok. For the most part, I think it isn’t if the other person would expect the information to be given.
I believe that lying to a dying person is one of the worst things you can do.
I don’t like being told things in confidence. But if it occurs like on my job on a regular basis, I simply won’t talk about it. I won’t lie.
Marty
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I would debate that issue. Jesus did not lie but simply gave an account of what appears to be relative to our XY coordinates..
Similarly, everything we "see" is not what is - but are light waves (or photons) being received and translated into impulses by the optic nerve which then can be received, which impulses act upon the neurons of the brain and then interpreted by the soul as to what is going on outside the body.
Psalm 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
That which is forbidden is
Exodus 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Slander or libel.
I would see the examples as Rehab, htose who had Jews hidden in Nazi germany, and Moses parents!
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True, and it also preserved life, which seems to be the higher law of God...
Yes, breaking of the 9th commandment, slandering someone, seems to have the death penalty or being made an outcast.
It is a VERY serious sin in God's sight.
Proverbs 19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.
Proverbs 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.
Proverbs 6
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Psalm 101:5 Whoso privily slandereth his neighbour, him will I cut off: him that hath an high look and a proud heart will not I suffer.
Good thing for Mueller/fake media, and the Dems God is still not enforicng that!
Uh, well they are under grace or the law?
I don't think saying the sun "rises" or "sets" is anything but describing the phenomenon from our perspective. After my rare (about 3 per year) haircuts, if anyone comments I will usually say "I got my ears lowered on ___.'
Another angle of this is telling the truth, but in a misleading way. I know of an old movie in which a teenage girl is confronted by the angry wife of man she is flirting with, and later the man says he "calmed her down, " so she is no longer upset-- but he really murdered her (and she was not really his wife).
But I have a story I use to illustrate what I mean about having a firm conviction against lying does not necessarily mean a person is honest:
A man just didn't want to go to work one day. So, while still lying on his back in bed, he asked his wife to go get a frozen dinner and bring it to him there. His wife did so, and then he threw it up toward the ceiling and caught it. Then he called the office where he works and said, "I'm not coming in today; I'm down flat on my back and I just threw up my dinner."
Another angle of this is telling the truth, but in a misleading way. I know of an old movie in which a teenage girl is confronted by the angry wife of man she is flirting with, and later the man says he "calmed her down, " so she is no longer upset-- but he really murdered her (and she was not really his wife).
But I have a story I use to illustrate what I mean about having a firm conviction against lying does not necessarily mean a person is honest:
A man just didn't want to go to work one day. So, while still lying on his back in bed, he asked his wife to go get a frozen dinner and bring it to him there. His wife did so, and then he threw it up toward the ceiling and caught it. Then he called the office where he works and said, "I'm not coming in today; I'm down flat on my back and I just threw up my dinner."
It does seem that the Lord does allow for us to lie if the expressed intent is to save lives...