What... No Hebrew word studies? That's Racism!

[Greektim]

Just kidding on the racism thing.

But give it a try, Van. Test out your word study chops w/ chesed or some really difficult word like that.

 

[Yeshua1]

Just kidding on the racism thing.

But give it a try, Van. Test out your word study chops w/ chesed or some really difficult word like that.

good idea, but we seem to have our hands full with wading thru right now just van greek word studies!

 

[Van]

I have made an abbreviated study of hesed, and accepted it means "steadfast love."

If you look at Matthew 9:13 and 12:7 you will see Greek versions of the Hebrew word translated variously as compassion or mercy. And if you look at the referenced verse in the OT, Hosea 6:6, you will find loyalty or mercy.

 

[John of Japan]

Amazing how folks with no knowledge or training in the original languages of the Bible can discuss them so authoritatively!! But of course they have Strong's to keep them in line.

 

[Yeshua1]

Amazing how folks with no knowledge or training in the original languages of the Bible can discuss them so authoritatively!! But of course they have Strong's to keep them in line.

At least I can honestly admit that my training and schooling was not enough to allow me to sit in judgement upon those scholars that translated the Niv/Esv etc!

 

[Salty]

Amazing how folks with no knowledge or training in the original languages of the Bible can discuss them so authoritatively!! But of course they have Strong's to keep them in line.

John,
Your location states Japan - is that Hebrew for somewhere in the Northern US?

 

[Van]

Amazing how folks with no knowledge or training in the original languages of the Bible can discuss them so authoritatively!! But of course they have Strong's to keep them in line.

I know you seem to think I have no right to my view. But your view fails the "Phileo" test.

Those that cast aspersions on the views of others, but fail to provide an alternative view, fail the "phileo" test.

And to repeat, because of the constant characterizations, I claim absolutely no expertize or that my view is authoritative. I do claim my views are shared with published scholars.

Note I said hesed means "steadfast love." Not one person has said, that is not generally correct, or offered a concrete alternate meaning.

And so it goes trying to get someone to engage in Bible study.

 

[Van]

At least I can honestly admit that my training and schooling was not enough to allow me to sit in judgement upon those scholars that translated the Niv/Esv etc!

You sit in judgement of the scholars that agree with me. Why is it your training and schooling, which apparently does not include Word Studies, allows to to sit in judgement of those scholars whose views differ. Note that my view is consistent with translations made by scholars, and are not my own invention. Recall JOJ said I had no right to translate "born again" as born "anew" until I pointed out that the translators of the ASV used that choice.

 

[Yeshua1]

You sit in judgement of the scholars that agree with me. Why is it your training and schooling, which apparently does not include Word Studies, allows to to sit in judgement of those scholars whose views differ. Note that my view is consistent with translations made by scholars, and are not my own invention. Recall JOJ said I had no right to translate "born again" as born "anew" until I pointed out that the translators of the ASV used that choice.

ALL translations, even the nasb, has parts where there are areas where could have been translated a bit differently, but exactly what is your goal with all of these word studies?

To refute some versions?

 

[Van]

ALL translations, even the nasb, has parts where there are areas where could have been translated a bit differently, but exactly what is your goal with all of these word studies?

To refute some versions?

I have stated and restated why Word Studies are important. Projection refers to someone who is driven by hate thinking everyone else is driven by hate.
Translating or understanding a bit differently, more transparently and concordantly, improves our understanding of God's word. Rightly dividing the Word of Truth is our goal.

I have provided links to sites that present "how to" methods for Biblical Word Study.

 

[Rippon]

Amazing how folks with no knowledge or training in the original languages of the Bible can discuss them so authoritatively!!

As you said on another occasion regarding Van :"He sure has a lot of chutzpah!"

 

[Van]

As you said on another occasion regarding Van :"He sure has a lot of chutzpah!"

I have made an abbreviated study of hesed, and accepted it means "steadfast love."

If you look at Matthew 9:13 and 12:7 you will see Greek versions of the Hebrew word translated variously as compassion or mercy. And if you look at the referenced verse in the OT, Hosea 6:6, you will find loyalty or mercy.

Rather than disparaging word study and those that engage in it, why not offer your view of the multifaceted nature of God's unwavering love toward His chosen people.

 

[Greektim]

I have made an abbreviated study of hesed, and accepted it means "steadfast love."

If you look at Matthew 9:13 and 12:7 you will see Greek versions of the Hebrew word translated variously as compassion or mercy. And if you look at the referenced verse in the OT, Hosea 6:6, you will find loyalty or mercy.

Rather than disparaging word study and those that engage in it, why not offer your view of the multifaceted nature of God's unwavering love toward His chosen people.

Here's a novel thought... what about words that have a wide semantic range. Like one word (say chesed?) has a lot of meanings that is not so easy to pin down to a simple gloss definition such as "steadfast love".

 

[Rippon]

Here's a novel thought... what about words that have a wide semantic range. Like one word (say chesed?) has a lot of meanings that is not so easy to pin down to a simple gloss definition such as "steadfast love".

Careful, don't upset his apple cart. He has so carefully arranged things just right. He's trying to reduce overlap to the extent that he won't allow for the semantic range of words. Steadfast love is the "accepted" meaning of chesed and that is that. Van would say:"Nuff said."

 

[Deacon]

I looked the word up and another meaning is what you do with tacos before eating them.

(they get chesed)

Rob

 

[John of Japan]

John,
Your location states Japan - is that Hebrew for somewhere in the Northern US?

Shucks, I forgot about that feature. I need to change it to Wisconsin! :type:

 

[Rippon]

Shucks, I forgot about that feature. I need to change it to Wisconsin! :type:

John of Wisconsin doesn't have that special ring to it. Perhaps you have a middle name that starts with W. Then you can call yourself Wayne or William of Wisconsin.

 

[John of Japan]

John of Wisconsin doesn't have that special ring to it. Perhaps you have a middle name that starts with W. Then you can call yourself Wayne or William of Wisconsin.

Alas, my middle name starts with R. (Take a guess. :type: )

I'm thinking I'll leave my handle as JofJ. Kind of hard to leave 33 years behind.

 

[kyredneck]

...so you're now John of Wisconsin (JoW)?

[add]

...ah, Rip, you beat me to it...

 

[John of Japan]

...so you're now John of Wisconsin (JoW)?

[add]

...ah, Rip, you beat me to it...

Hmm. Well, the pronunciation of JoW has possibilities.... Kind of a strange sound though.