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What One Word Would YOU Use to Describe BHO?

TomMann

New Member
Socialist

Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun Date: 1837

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
 

Andre

Well-Known Member
"In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school" "I studied the Koran.."
This statement, of course, is really of zero value in respect to assessing Mr. Obama's value system. Many persons, in the course of their education will study value systems that they end up rejecting.
 

Andre

Well-Known Member
poncho said:
Globalist.
I would agree. And I think that this is to his credit. Perhaps poncho believes that his "globalist" stance is a bad thing (although I am only speculating as to what poncho believes).
 

donnA

Active Member
Andre said:
I would agree. And I think that this is to his credit. Perhaps poncho believes that his "globalist" stance is a bad thing (although I am only speculating as to what poncho believes).

glob·al·ism
the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/globalism


It can be described as a process by which the people of the world are unified into a single society and function together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization
unified into one,, sounds like one world goverment under one world religion, and it ain't christianity.

Nothing I read about globalism sounds acceptable as an american or a christian.
 

Andre

Well-Known Member
donnA said:
glob·al·ism
the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/globalism


It can be described as a process by which the people of the world are unified into a single society and function together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization
unified into one,, sounds like one world goverment under one world religion, and it ain't christianity.

Nothing I read about globalism sounds acceptable as an american or a christian.
Globalism, in the sense of being equally concerned for the welfare of all people is, of course, deeply Christian.

12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.

This is the sense in which "globalism" is a Christian value. Obviously, if we are all united in worship of a false god, that's bad.
 

poncho

Well-Known Member
Andre said:
Globalism, in the sense of being equally concerned for the welfare of all people is, of course, deeply Christian.

12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.

This is the sense in which "globalism" is a Christian value. Obviously, if we are all united in worship of a false god, that's bad.
July 16, 2007


The recent defeat of the amnesty bill in the Senate came after outraged Americans made it clear to the political elite that they would not tolerate this legislation, which would further erode our national sovereignty. Similarly, polls increasingly show the unpopularity of the Iraq war, as well as of the Congress that seems incapable of ending it.

Because some people who vocally oppose amnesty are supportive of the war, the ideological connection between support of the war and amnesty is often masked. If there is a single word explaining the reasons why we continue to fight unpopular wars and see legislation like the amnesty bill nearly become law, that word is “globalism.”

The international elite, including many in the political and economic leadership of this country, believe our constitutional republic is antiquated and the loyalty Americans have for our form of government is like a superstition, needing to be done away with. When it benefits elites, they pay lip service to the American way, even while undermining it.

We must remain focused on what ideology underlies the approach being taken by those who see themselves as our ruling-class, and not get distracted by the passions of the moment or the rhetorical devices used to convince us how their plans will be “good for us.” Whether it is managed trade being presented under the rhetoric of “free trade,” or the ideas of “regime change” abroad and “making the world safe for democracy” -- the underlying principle is globalism.

Although different rhetoric is used in each instance, the basic underlying notion behind replacing regimes abroad and allowing foreign people to come to this country illegally is best understood by comprehending this ideal of the globalist elite. In one of his most lucid moments President Bush spoke of the “soft bigotry of low expectations.” Unfortunately, that bigotry is one of the core tenets at the heart of the globalist ideology.

The basic idea is that foreigners cannot manage their own affairs so we have to do it for them. This may require sending troops to far off lands that do not threaten us, and it may also require “welcoming with open arms” people who come here illegally. All along globalists claim a moral high ground, as if our government is responsible for ensuring the general welfare of all people. Yet the consequences are devastating to our own taxpayers, as well as many of those we claim to be helping.

Perhaps the most seriously damaged victim of this approach is our own constitutional republic, because globalism undermines both the republican and democratic traditions of this nation. Not only does it make a mockery of the self-rule upon which our republic is based, it also erodes the very institutions of our republic and replaces them with international institutions that are often incompatible with our way of life.

The defeat of the amnesty bill proves though that there is no infallible logic, or predetermined march of history, that forces globalism on us.


RON PAUL...


Only the globalist's rhetoric can be mistaken as "Christ like". They're actions and the outcome of those actions on the other hand prove who their real father is. Listen to what they are telling you then carefully inspect their fruit Andre...I think you'll find the sweetness of their words do not match the evil-ness of their deeds..
 
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Andre

Well-Known Member
poncho said:
The recent defeat of the amnesty bill in the Senate came after outraged Americans made it clear to the political elite that they would not tolerate this legislation, which would further erode our national sovereignty.
National sovereignty is not the highest consideration for the obedient Christian - enacting the Kingdom values set forth by Jesus is. Now sometimes these will not conflict. But when they do, our primary allegiance is not to our country.


All along globalists claim a moral high ground, as if our government is responsible for ensuring the general welfare of all people.
The committed Christian will indeed advocate for the position that "our" government should indeed be working for the welfare of all people. It is precisely the "us" versus "them" thinking that the gospel opposes and deconstructs.

Perhaps the most seriously damaged victim of this approach is our own constitutional republic, because globalism undermines both the republican and democratic traditions of this nation.
"This nation's" traditions are not the highest consideration for the Christian - obedience to Kingdom values is."

I have no opinion on the motives of "globalists" that you have been exposed to. Perhaps you are right.

But let's be clear: For the Christian, there is "neither Jew nor Greek". Perhaps the term "globalist" is misleading.

But the obedient follower of the gospel will not pursue policy that directly or indirectly promotes the interests of his own nation preferentially over others. All human beings are equally deserving of dignity and respect, no matter what country they are from.
 

donnA

Active Member
Andre said:
Globalism, in the sense of being equally concerned for the welfare of all people is, of course, deeply Christian.

12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus

Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.

This is the sense in which "globalism" is a Christian value. Obviously, if we are all united in worship of a false god, that's bad.
The actual defination of globalism is not christian.
 

Andre

Well-Known Member
donnA said:
The actual defination of globalism is not christian.
Here is the definition you posted:

glob·al·ism
the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/globalism


It can be described as a process by which the people of the world are unified into a single society and function together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalization

Please tell me precisely what is "unChristian" about:

1. placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations; and

2. a process by which the people of the world are unified into a single society and function together

We know that when Jesus returns, the world will indeed be unified into a single society - the scriptures are pretty clear about this.
 

poncho

Well-Known Member
Andre said:
National sovereignty is not the highest consideration for the obedient Christian - enacting the Kingdom values set forth by Jesus is. Now sometimes these will not conflict. But when they do, our primary allegiance is not to our country.



The committed Christian will indeed advocate for the position that "our" government should indeed be working for the welfare of all people. It is precisely the "us" versus "them" thinking that the gospel opposes and deconstructs.


"This nation's" traditions are not the highest consideration for the Christian - obedience to Kingdom values is."

I have no opinion on the motives of "globalists" that you have been exposed to. Perhaps you are right.

But let's be clear: For the Christian, there is "neither Jew nor Greek". Perhaps the term "globalist" is misleading.

But the obedient follower of the gospel will not pursue policy that directly or indirectly promotes the interests of his own nation preferentially over others. All human beings are equally deserving of dignity and respect, no matter what country they are from.

Nice sermon Andre. In this world there is good and there is evil I don't believe for one minute Christ ever meant for us to stand idly by and watch evil being done in front of us and claim a religious exemption from the hard work of countering it.

If you aren't standing up for what's right then you are laying down for what's wrong which implies complicity. Imho.
 
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