What other denominations

[5 point Gillinist]

Nothings changed in the Catholic Catechism, So offical Church teaching remains the same.
Only Ex Cathedra statements matter.

I don't recall reading in the bible where anyone, aside from God, was infallible.

 

[Reformed1689]

Nothings changed in the Catholic Catechism, So offical Church teaching remains the same.
Only Ex Cathedra statements matter.

And Catholic Catechism teaches works based salvation, indulgences, etc. It is hogwash.

 

[Cathode]

And Catholic Catechism teaches works based salvation, indulgences, etc. It is hogwash.

No Faith and Love based salvation, no Love no salvation.

You can have faith enough to move mountains, but you don’t have Love you amount to nothing.

“ What you didn’t do even for the least of these, you didn’t do for me “

You must believe in Faith, but you must act in Love. Both are by God’s Grace. But people don’t pray for the daily grace to show love. They received the grace of faith at one instance. But did not ask for the daily grace to Love all they encounter daily.as life unfolds.

There are plenty of dudes out there that have Faith to move mountains, but just don’t have Love.
Paul really tried to warn dudes, by really emphasising the point.

Jesus judges dudes by their love or lack of it in Scripture.

“When I was hungry you gave me nothing to eat “

We need the daily on going graces to Love and treat people as if they were Jesus Himself. Even the least dudes in our lives, dudes we would never give time of day.

Not enough to just believe, ya gotta Love.

 

[Cathode]

I don't recall reading in the bible where anyone, aside from God, was infallible.

The Apostles were Infallible. They only preached and taught the Inspired Truth from God.

 

[ntchristian]

On the essentials there is little to no disagreement. I would rather have disagreements than have a pope lead everyone to the gates of hell.

Actually, there is a lot of disagreement, and that is true in all branches of Christianity. Some think that's a bad thing. I do not. Iron sharpens iron.

 

[ntchristian]

No Faith and Love based salvation, no Love no salvation.

You can have faith enough to move mountains, but you don’t have Love you amount to nothing.

“ What you didn’t do even for the least of these, you didn’t do for me “

You must believe in Faith, but you must act in Love. Both are by God’s Grace. But people don’t pray for the daily grace to show love. They received the grace of faith at one instance. But did not ask for the daily grace to Love all they encounter daily.as life unfolds.

There are plenty of dudes out there that have Faith to move mountains, but just don’t have Love.
Paul really tried to warn dudes, by really emphasising the point.

Jesus judges dudes by their love or lack of it in Scripture.

“When I was hungry you gave me nothing to eat “

We need the daily on going graces to Love and treat people as if they were Jesus Himself. Even the least dudes in our lives, dudes we would never give time of day.

Not enough to just believe, ya gotta Love.

You had enough of "nice" Baptists yet? Hang in there. It's the same on all forums I've ever been on. Thick skin helps -- you know, like an alligator.

 

[ntchristian]

Mennonites have an incredibly liberal theology by and large, as well as having works-based salvation, not all that dissimilar to your religion. Ask me how I know.

You have mis-characterized Mennonites. They do not have a works-based salvation, and as far as liberal theology, they span the whole spectrum, just as Baptists and others do.

 

[Cathode]

You had enough of "nice" Baptists yet? Hang in there. It's the same on all forums I've ever been on. Thick skin helps -- you know, like an alligator.

No, I assume the best of dudes, we’re all just trying to make it through life as fast as possible.
I try to encourage other believers, but I’m mostly preaching to encourage myself, it helps type of thing. I’m not a learned dude, and I my business and freedoms are being crushed so I gravitate to other believers to encourage and be encouraged in this tough time.
Suffering a bit of sadness and grief at the moment losing a friend, so a little distraction on forums gets my mind off things.

 

[Cathode]

No human, especially your precious pope, is infallible.

So even your interpretation and doctrines from scripture could be wrong in part or whole?

 

[Van]

No Faith and Love based salvation, no Love no salvation.

You can have faith enough to move mountains, but you don’t have Love you amount to nothing.

“ What you didn’t do even for the least of these, you didn’t do for me “

You must believe in Faith, but you must act in Love. Both are by God’s Grace. But people don’t pray for the daily grace to show love. They received the grace of faith at one instance. But did not ask for the daily grace to Love all they encounter daily.as life unfolds.

There are plenty of dudes out there that have Faith to move mountains, but just don’t have Love.
Paul really tried to warn dudes, by really emphasising the point.

Jesus judges dudes by their love or lack of it in Scripture.

“When I was hungry you gave me nothing to eat “

We need the daily on going graces to Love and treat people as if they were Jesus Himself. Even the least dudes in our lives, dudes we would never give time of day.

Not enough to just believe, ya gotta Love.

Thanks, I will never hear the words "the power of love" again without appreciating its transformative power if credited by God.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

You have mis-characterized Mennonites. They do not have a works-based salvation, and as far as liberal theology, they span the whole spectrum, just as Baptists and others do.

Yeah, the Amish are pretty legalistic, and the general conference is about as liberal/legalistic as you can get.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

It doesn’t solve the problem though dude. Which side is true, you need Infallible interpretations to get the truth out of scripture.

So what is the truth then, since the pope is the current infallible teacher? And how do you know that what the pope preaches is the truth? Who tells you that what he preaches is the truth, and are they fallible? What do you measure this "truth" by? And how can you know that what you measure it by is true if you can be wrong, and if it is right how do you know that?

 

[ntchristian]

No, I assume the best of dudes, we’re all just trying to make it through life as fast as possible.
I try to encourage other believers, but I’m mostly preaching to encourage myself, it helps type of thing. I’m not a learned dude, and I my business and freedoms are being crushed so I gravitate to other believers to encourage and be encouraged in this tough time.
Suffering a bit of sadness and grief at the moment losing a friend, so a little distraction on forums gets my mind off things.

I'm sorry for your loss. That is always difficult. I'll keep you, and your friend, in my prayers.

 

[Reformed1689]

No Faith and Love based salvation, no Love no salvation.

You can have faith enough to move mountains, but you don’t have Love you amount to nothing.

“ What you didn’t do even for the least of these, you didn’t do for me “

You must believe in Faith, but you must act in Love. Both are by God’s Grace. But people don’t pray for the daily grace to show love. They received the grace of faith at one instance. But did not ask for the daily grace to Love all they encounter daily.as life unfolds.

There are plenty of dudes out there that have Faith to move mountains, but just don’t have Love.
Paul really tried to warn dudes, by really emphasising the point.

Jesus judges dudes by their love or lack of it in Scripture.

“When I was hungry you gave me nothing to eat “

We need the daily on going graces to Love and treat people as if they were Jesus Himself. Even the least dudes in our lives, dudes we would never give time of day.

Not enough to just believe, ya gotta Love.

I don't think you know the doctrine of your own church, or Scripture.

 

[Reformed1689]

So even your interpretation and doctrines from scripture could be wrong in part or whole?

Is it a possibility? Sure.

 

[Reformed1689]

Actually, there is a lot of disagreement, and that is true in all branches of Christianity. Some think that's a bad thing. I do not. Iron sharpens iron.

I guess it depends what you consider actual Christianity.

 

[Cathode]

So what is the truth then, since the pope is the current infallible teacher? And how do you know that what the pope preaches is the truth? Who tells you that what he preaches is the truth, and are they fallible? What do you measure this "truth" by? And how can you know that what you measure it by is true if you can be wrong?

I’ll try answer your questions here.

I don’t privately interpret the scripture and call that Truth, this is the problem across all Bible alone Protestantism.

Settling for fallible human opinion of scripture and human tradition and not scriptures Truth.

The truth of scripture is not a matter of fallible human opinion. This just ends in the tribalism of human opinion and traditions of men, manifest in Protestantism.

Infallible scripture needs nothing less than Infallible interpretation.

Catholics don’t try to reconstruct Christian doctrine from our private interpretations of Scripture, as we see the ever tireless attempts of reconstruction in Protestantism. It’s the definition of ever searching and never finding the Truth. There’s no settled definitive Truth or doctrine in Protestantism, just endless unsettled questions, and the strange phenomena of Church hopping.

We have an Apostolic Church and Apostolic Tradition back to pre Bible times that explains what is written. That Tradition even determined the Canon of Scripture itself.
A Catholic trusts the Bible because the Infallible Church determined and declared it to be the Holy Word of God. The decree of Pope Damasus. settled it for us the definitive first Canon, The Latin Vulgate. Later the council of Trent just reaffirmed it.

So how has Bible alone theology changed in 500 years, is everyone still Lutheran? Believing the same interpretation?

What about Catholics over much vaster amounts of time?

“It is this one Spirit who makes it possible for an infant to be regenerated through the agency of another’s will when that infant is brought to Baptism; and it is through this one Spirit that the infant so presented is reborn…’Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit.’ The water, therefore, manifesting exteriorly the sacrament of grace, and the Spirit effecting interiorly the benefit of grace, both regenerate in one Christ that man who was in one Adam.” Augustine, To Boniface, Epistle 98:2 (A.D. 408).

Catholics believe the same thing today 1600 years later, same interpretation and meaning of scripture.

“I entreat you, beloved brethren, that each one should confess his own sin, while he who has sinned is still in this world, while his confession may be received, while the satisfaction and remission made by the priests are pleasing to the Lord.” Cyprian, To the Lapsed, 28-29 (A.D. 251).

Catholics believe the same thing as this guy today 1750 years later because of Apostolic Tradition.
The Apostolic See mostly maintains what was handed down from the beginning, however also has the power to define to settle particular matters authoritively.

I hope this answers your question.

 

[Cathode]

I'm sorry for your loss. That is always difficult. I'll keep you, and your friend, in my prayers.

Thanks mate, I really appreciate it.

 

[Cathode]

I don't think you know the doctrine of your own church, or Scripture.

I’m trying dude, I haven’t got any formal training, what’s wrong with it?

 

[Reformed1689]

I’m trying dude, I haven’t got any formal training, what’s wrong with it?

If you think your church teaches salvation is about nothing but love. That's also not what Scripture teaches. But quit trying to put forth Catholic Dogma as truth. Nobody here will stand for the heresy.