What sends people to Hell?

[kyredneck]

Saying we go to hell for not obeying the Ten Commandments is to narrow a standard and not scriptural.

Christ's 'saying' was pretty narrow here:

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother. Lu 18

If keeping the commandments sends one to heaven then the invert must be true; breaking the commandments sends one to hell.

 

[revmwc]

Christ's 'saying' was pretty narrow here:

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother. Lu 18

If keeping the commandments sends one to heaven then the invert must be true; breaking the commandments sends one to hell.

James 2:8-12,

8 "If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty."

Matthew 5:27-28,

27 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

All are guilty of one and therefore as James says that makes you guilty of all.

Jesus told us all are condemned by not believing on Him. We know that 1 John 2:2 says Jesus became the propitiation for sins, He satisfied the Fathers demand for a sacrifice for sin. Belief in Him brings salvation. Rejection of Him brings eternal separation that is the second death.

Jesus said what He did to show no one human being can keep all the Law, the only one what has kept it to the letter is Jesus Himself and thus He was worthy to pay for the sins of all mankind.

 

[JonC]

I think that some here are missing the point that Paul makes of our sinfulness (even the sinfulness of Gentiles not under the Law).

The Ten Commandments were given as a part of the Mosaic Law (I know we all know that....just saying). But even before then they existed in terms of God's commands and statutes. Circumcision existed before the Law. As Revmitchell pointed out a while back, the tithe existed before the Law and the Ten Commandments.

The Ten Commandments reveal, to an extent, God's moral law. But they are not "God's moral law." Jesus goes even deeper to the spiritual aspects of the Ten Commandments (dealing with hate, lust, etc). So no...it's not about "breaking or keeping" the Ten Commandments. It's much deeper - it's about obeying God's commandments, His law. It's about God's own moral nature, His own standard, and our ability or lack thereof to mirror that standard. The Ten Commandments are a good tool, but they are not binding because are a part of the Law (which we are not under). They are binding to the extent that they reflect the nature of God.

 

[kyredneck]

....Jesus said what He did to show no one human being can keep all the Law, the only one what has kept it to the letter is Jesus Himself and thus He was worthy to pay for the sins of all mankind.

....amazing how you people glibly, unabashedly add to and insert whatever you want into a text, on a whim, to make it say what you imagine it to say. The man asked Him a straight up serious question, Christ gave him a straight up correct answer.

Repeatedly we're told the final judgment is about our works, the things done while in the flesh. Nowhere is belief mentioned in the context of the final judgment

 

[InTheLight]

Repeatedly we're told the final judgment is about our works, the things done while in the flesh. Nowhere is belief mentioned in the context of the final judgment

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

 

[revmwc]

....amazing how you people glibly, unabashedly add to and insert whatever you want into a text, on a whim, to make it say what you imagine it to say. The man asked Him a straight up serious question, Christ gave him a straight up correct answer.

Repeatedly we're told the final judgment is about our works, the things done while in the flesh. Nowhere is belief mentioned in the context of the final judgment

So do you believe no one is going to heaven? Not one person can keep the Law to the letter, James said if you violate one you violate them all. So if violating one is a violation and you fail to keep one you go to Hell by your philosophy, correct? The Blood of Jesus doesn't matter bu you philosophy because if you violate one you violate all.

 

[revmwc]

....amazing how you people glibly, unabashedly add to and insert whatever you want into a text, on a whim, to make it say what you imagine it to say. The man asked Him a straight up serious question, Christ gave him a straight up correct answer.

Repeatedly we're told the final judgment is about our works, the things done while in the flesh. Nowhere is belief mentioned in the context of the final judgment

Revelation 20:14-15,
14" And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Appears according to Jesus those whose names are not written in the Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire with Death and Hell. That is the only cause they are cast there. Unbelief sends a person to everlasting separation from God. That is the second death. So Jesus in John 3:17 & 18 says they are condemned because of not believing on Him and in Revelation 20:15 again they are condemned because they have not believed and therefore theirs names fail to appear in the book of life.

No twisting needed it is very clear.

 

[kyredneck]

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

You unwittingly ADD TO what's been said. You make it to mean 'Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved FROM HELL, but whoever does not believe will be condemned TO HELL.

Right?

John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

Notice those believing already have eternal life; just like those in v 21 God has already wrought within them BEFORE they come to the light. They're already DOING the truth BEFORE coming to Christ.

 

[kyredneck]

Revelation 20:14-15,
14" And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

Appears according to Jesus those whose names are not written in the Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire with Death and Hell. That is the only cause they are cast there. Unbelief sends a person to everlasting separation from God. That is the second death. So Jesus in John 3:17 & 18 says they are condemned because of not believing on Him and in Revelation 20:15 again they are condemned because they have not believed and therefore theirs names fail to appear in the book of life.

No twisting needed it is very clear.

You never twisted, you just carefully omitted v 12:

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

[Iconoclast]

kyredneck

Christ's 'saying' was pretty narrow here:

18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother. Lu 18

If keeping the commandments sends one to heaven then the invert must be true; breaking the commandments sends one to hell.

:applause::applause::applause::applause:

 

[revmwc]

You never twisted, you just carefully omitted v 12:

12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne; and books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works.

To see if their works could get them into heaven. They couldn't. So because their names were not found written in the book of life they were condemned. Verse 12 says nothing about their works sending them to hell.

 

[Greektim]

Question was "what" sends people to Hell, not "who".

I vote B. Everybody breaks at least one of the 10 commandments, even believers.

Thus I said God's WRATH!!! Unless you believe his wrath to have personality.

 

[Greektim]

Are you trying to be sarcastic?

Sarcasm was not the right word. It was intentional mockery. But I thought you might get a laugh out of it. We take each other too seriously sometimes. Apologies if offended.

 

[salzer mtn]

How about when Adam transgressed Gods commandment and cast the whole human race into sin. I know the lost will be judged on their works but sinners do what they do because of who they are. Sinning don't make you a sinner, it is just a manifestation of who you all ready are.

 

[Van]

I did not read this thread, but I am sure more than one answer has been suggested.

The correct answer is "unbelief." When we are conceived, we are condemned already because of "unbelief."

 

[Scott J]

I did not read this thread, but I am sure more than one answer has been suggested.

The correct answer is "unbelief." When we are conceived, we are condemned already because of "unbelief."

I have a really good friend who preaches that the only sin that sends someone to hell is unbelief. I think scripture teaches differently. I know that he and probably you would answer the objection but some people are not guilty of active "unbelief"... like those who live and die never hearing about Jesus much less the gospel.

The verse you cite does not exactly say that "unbelief" is the sin that condemns. The second phrase of John 3:18 says that man is condemned already... iow's prior to his unbelief and remains condemned because of unbelief.

Rebellion and sin against God is what condemned Adam's race. All are guilty of that and those who have not had the scriptures have the conscience that God gave them (Romans 2).

 

[Revmitchell]

... like those who live and die never hearing about Jesus much less the gospel.

Never happens..................

 

[Rippon]

Never happens..................

Is it your claim that there are no people in the last two thousand years who haven't heard the name of Jesus or haven't heard the Gospel?

 

[Revmitchell]

Is it your claim that there are no people in the last two thousand years who haven't heard the name of Jesus or haven't heard the Gospel?

That is my claim. Other wise God and scripture are a liar.

 

[Rippon]

That is my claim. Other wise God and scripture are a liar.

(That second sentence is poorly constructed.)

You have wrongly interpreted Romans 1:19-20. It doesn't say or imply that everyone will know about Jesus and the Gospel.

And in Romans 2:12-15 it speaks of those who have had no knowledge of the Law. Having no knowledge of the Law certainly means they have also not heard of Jesus and the Gospel.