What should men be doing and........

No I am a woman. I honestly believe that God is clear that women should not be pastors or be over man, based on verses that have been given (thank you bapmom) and then some. but like everything else God can still use that which we screw up. If men will not lead someone has to, if people get divorce he will not stop them from marrying again and blessing that family, he has even gone so far to use the wicked for his glory. I think it would be best to obey his word when it comes to women preachers and leaders over men just so there isn't all the problems that can come with it, I'll leave it at that.

quit acceptable to teach children "boys" and lead choir that has men in it. Teaching men or preaching to men is much different i would think.

 

with all the molestations going on these days even in churches, i do not know of many churches that allow men in them, maybe one once in awhile with their wife. does anyone know where this is prevelent?

Maybe i am not understanding correctly, what jobs or titles do you feel are for men and which are for women?
anyone want to share what their church feels is right?

 

Ahhh, but Frenchy,

In Acts, we see the 4 daughters of Philip preaching to the men of Paul's company and they were not reprimanded for doing so.

I believe that the woman can preach, she just cannot pastor the church.

The reason Paul wrote the church at Corinth and said I suffer not a woman to speak was because women were disrupting the services. That is why he went on to say if they have a question, let them ask of their husbands at home.

We are all responsible for the word that we are given. The pastor is there to equip the saints to go out and witness to the lost. From time to time, God may give a woman a word to speak to the congregation. He used women throughout the Bible.

Why, the first people he told to go and witness his resurrection were two women!

 

please standingfirminChrist where is it in acts so I can look it up?

still looking can't find it

I agree, we are ALL to proclaim (preach) Gods word and winess no doubt. But the bible is clear women are not to be OVER man. pastors are the leaders and shepherds of a church carrying heavy responsibilites that i do not think God intended for the women. women have their roles and it should be evident what they are.

[ March 11, 2006, 04:44 AM: Message edited by: Frenchy ]

 

Frenchy,

Acts 21

 

Frenchy, we must remember preaching is not the same as pastoring.

We invite missionaries into our church and they preach, yet they are not pastors.

We invite evangelists who preach, they are not pastors.

Preaching and pastoring are two different functions.

 

Playing devil's advocate here:

Men ought to be keep women silent, helping them to learn quietly and in submissiveness, not suffering them to teach or to exercise authority over a man (1 Tim. 2:11-12).

 

Ah, but as I mentioned earlier, there is no mention of the daughters of Philip being reprimanded after preaching to Paul's company of men.

What do we do with that?

And Anna the Prophetess? She was at the temple for a reason. I think preaching is not necessarily taking authority, but rather proclaiming God's Holy Word. I believe all are responsible for what they hear.

 

I agree, I think preaching the gospel equates to being the pastor of a church (having responsibility for and authority over the flock Jesus has given into the care of His under-shepherd).

 

Why is that sad?
Would it be equally sad to see a church where men do everything but work in the nursery?


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Men need to set an example. Boys need to see men work in a variety of roles. Shoot! Girls need to see men work in a variety of roles. Of course, I was thinking of mk's example where the men have virtually stepped aside in the church. I also think about the joy my husband has in working with pre-teens and the relationship he's built with so many over the years.

AND yes, I think it would be equally sad if men did all the roles except a few. We are a family in a church and there are a variety of positions for a variety of people -- both sexes -- young and old. When we get too many of one segment begging off or too many of one segment doing all the work, I think something is wrong.

 

QUOTE from me

i think standingfirminChrist we actually agree with each other more than you think, today if someone is "preaching" thay are in the position of "pastoring" it is hard to seperate the two today. being a witness or missionary are different.

 

Preaching does not equate the same as Pastoring. I could come to your fellowship and preach a powerful message on a subject under the direction of the Holy Spirit that would convict hearts and bring people to repentance from dead works unto life, yet still not have many of the duties that a Pastor has.

The Pastor needs to know his flock. And Evangelist need only preach to that flock.

 

you are right, i guess it has been a while since i have heard an evangelist.

in that case i do not think, that evangelist should be a woman. i also do not think women should lead a mixed bible study.

 

MK,
I don't know how many preachers I've listened to,but it is more than a few.One thing most of them have in common is thier MOTHER teaching them about the Bible,giving them God's Word,teaching them about Jesus Christ,and hearing thier mothers praying for them. God bless you for doing that for your children. Please don't stop.
Pastor or bishop(same thing as pastor)is the only office restricted to men.Criteria is set up in 1&2nd Timothy and Titus. There are examples of women preaching in the NT and serving as deaconnesses.
I belive deacons were first mentioned in Acts 6:1 and were to serve food at tables of those in the church. The connotation Deacon,pastor,deaconess,goes to ministry,shepherding or under-shepherding all which points to a servant and not a master.

If you have e-sword you can look up all of these offices in the ISBE and read some good articles with scripture reference.The New Ungers Bible Dictionary also has some good short articles with scripture refernces touching these subjects.

 

Your statement is kind of confusing. You and a number of other IFB Baptists on this board make this distinction, yet I suspect you never have a woman guest preacher or a woman teaching a Bible study in which men are present.

Karen

 

Karen,

When I was pastoring MorningStar Fellowship in NC, I did allow women to speak on a couple of occasions. They came to my office and shared with me that the Lord had laid it upon their hearts to share something with the congregation. After talking with the women (separate dates, separate years), I prayed and felt that God would have them speak.

Turns out, both were wonderful serveces. Both pointed to Christ and the humbleness of man before Him.

Yes, if I were still pastoring and was asked again by a woman if she could share something that had been opened up to her through the reading of God's Holy Word, I would again pray about it first, and if God laid it upon my heart, I would allow that woman to speak behind my pulpit.

 

OK to actually answer the OP Scripturally..
according to scripture there are only 2 offices..
Pastor and Deacon 1 Tim. 3 They should be held by men.

All other offices in today's churches are up for grabs.

Our treasurer is a woman, van coordinator, woman, Youth teachers, some women, choir director... you got it.. a woman..

We also have a lot of men that fill other offices.

The person with the gift to do each office, whether they are male or female, should do it.
(with the exception of Pastor and Deacon.)

 

So would I.

 

So would I - but I only preach part time, at a retirement village.

On the other hand, I don't think that I would join a church where the Pastor is female. Maybe it's just my age talking, at this point.

 

Genesis,

I would not join a church that had a female for a Pastor. I would hear a woman who preaches though.