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What should we eat (the original diet)?

Hobie

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Grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables constitute the diet chosen for us by our Creator. These foods prepared in as simple and natural manner as possible, free from spice and grease of all kinds, are the most healthful and nourishing. They impart a strength, a power of endurance, and help the intellect, that are not afforded by a more complex and stimulating diet.

I was reading a new finding that diabetes can be brought under control if people would just eat vegies, basically the diet found in the Garden of Eden.

"The positive effects of a vegan diet on diabetes have made the news big time lately, but here is an interesting article that goes further, and specifically researches the effects of vegetables.

The results are promising, and enough to convince anyone, especially diabetics, to eat more than just the recommended '5 servings a day.' Even better news: vegetables are also powerful warriors against cancer, but it's important not to smoke, or these benefits may be erased.

Chomping on a few vegetables may help ward off diabetes. That is according to a new study at the Minnesota School of Public Health. Inside these and other orange, red, and green foods like carrots, tomatoes, kale, and spinach are caroteniods. Those carotenoids have previously been shown to protect against cancer. These have been shown to lower your odds of a lifetime of getting diabetes....Now go eat your vegetables!.."

"....When it comes to vegetables, people with diabetes, should eat at least three servings a day. Vegetables are healthy, chock full of vitamins and minerals, and some give you much needed fiber. The best part: vegetables are naturally low in calories -- if you are careful not to top them with butter, sour cream, cream soups, or cheese sauces.

Remember, non-starchy vegetables such as spinach, broccoli, lettuce, greens, carrots, chilies, peppers and tomatoes (those in this food group) do contain a small amount of carbohydrate -- 5 grams per serving.

Easy ways to eat your vegetables:
•Keep frozen and canned vegetables on hand to know you always have vegetables at the ready.
•Make double and triple portions; at a serving one day and have one ready-to-go for the next.
•Blanch (quick cook and chill) a head of broccoli or cauliflower, break it into pieces, place in a plastic container and have a ready supply for the week, hot or cold.
•Keep a bag of pre-cut or baby carrots around -- grab a handful as a snack, pack them with lunch, throw them into stew, or microwave for a quick vegetable.
•Microwave or sauté onions and peppers to put more vegetables into a tomato sauce.
•Toss extra sautéed vegetables on a frozen pizza.
•Make a big salad to last a few days, store in the refrigerator in a plastic container.
•Add vegetables into sandwiches -- not just the old lettuce and tomato, try alfalfa sprouts, sliced red onion, sliced cucumbers, sliced yellow squash or zucchini, red peppers, or leftover grilled vegetables.
•Add vegetables to an omelette or scrambled eggs -- sauté onions, peppers, mushrooms, tomatoes and add some fresh herbs.
•Drink tomato juice, V-8 ... as a vegetable.
•In a tomato sauce, cut the amount of meat you use in half, and add more vegetables -- onions, peppers, mushrooms, eggplant, zucchini or others..."
Adapted from the book Diabetes Meal Planning Made Easy. Written by Hope S. Warshaw, MMSc, RD, CDE, a nationally recognized expert on healthy eating and diabetes
 
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Thanks for the post, Hobie. I am no vegan, but my diet is more vegetable than meat. In the Bible, Daniel and his gang refused the king's meat, it appears, in favor of veggies and prospered as a result.

11 Then said Daniel to Melzar, whom the prince of the eunuchs had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, 12 Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.

13 Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king's meat: and as thou seest, deal with thy servants.

14 So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days.

15 And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king's meat.
The latest thing that I am now into is avacados. I read where an avacado a day will drastically reduce cholesterol. Despite always having good cholesterol numbers, I had a mild heart attack, Oct. 2017, I think. I am not taking the prescribed statins because of the side effects and because I am not personally convinced that it was cholesteral which blocked my L.A.D. artery.

There is a huge gaggle of supplements and stuff that I do to try and keep ahead of the game. When I get to heaven, if I am not too bedazzled and awe struck by everything there, I would like to ask if my vitamin and diet regimen delayed my arrival there.
 

Rob_BW

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The best way is to cook them with some bacon :Biggrin.

I lost 20 pounds, 50 points of my total cholesterol, and cut my triglycerides by 75% by cutting out nearly all carbohydrates, and subsisting on mostly vegetables slathered in bacon, sausage, and cheese. Didn't ever count calories. Ate whenever I was hungry.
 

Hobie

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Thanks for the post, Hobie. I am no vegan, but my diet is more vegetable than meat. In the Bible, Daniel and his gang refused the king's meat, it appears, in favor of veggies and prospered as a result.

11 Then said Daniel to Melzar, whom the prince of the eunuchs had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, 12 Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink.

13 Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king's meat: and as thou seest, deal with thy servants.

14 So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days.

15 And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king's meat.
The latest thing that I am now into is avacados. I read where an avacado a day will drastically reduce cholesterol. Despite always having good cholesterol numbers, I had a mild heart attack, Oct. 2017, I think. I am not taking the prescribed statins because of the side effects and because I am not personally convinced that it was cholesteral which blocked my L.A.D. artery.

There is a huge gaggle of supplements and stuff that I do to try and keep ahead of the game. When I get to heaven, if I am not too bedazzled and awe struck by everything there, I would like to ask if my vitamin and diet regimen delayed my arrival there.
I love avocados, especially after I read of all the benefits, as I had a stroke and it helps even with that. This is a great explanation on why plant base meals are better..
"t’d be great if a burger-a-day diet was healthy. Don’t get me wrong—it’s not the worst. You’ve got protein in there and hopefully some veggies on top (and on the side) , and even some fiber from the roll (you used whole grain, right?).

Unfortunately, study after study shows that meat as a protein source just isn't that healthy. It's far better to get that necessary protein from plants. Generally speaking, diets heavy on plant matter tend to be healthier. One study found that those eating the most fruit-and-veg-dense diets had a 31 percent lower risk of dying from cardiovascular disease and a roughly 20 percent lower risk of overall mortality than those eating animal-focused diets. That study didn't look specifically at protein, but participants consumed the other main animal-sourced food group, dairy, at about equal rates no matter what, so ultimately this comes down to replacing meat with alternative protein sources.

And yes, these associations are correlations, not causations. But there are some legitimate reasons that plant-based protein sources like beans are a healthier alternative to bacon. The researchers aren’t saying you can’t or shouldn’t indulge in a thick Delmonico or a flame-grilled cheeseburger. Rather that you should enjoy them in moderation. Generally, research shows that less animal meat—most especially red meat—is better than more, in terms of long term health. You don’t have to love tofu, either (it’s not the best plant-based protein anyway), as long as you strive to eat more of your protein from the ground and less from animals. " https://getpocket.com/explore/item/here-s-even-more-evidence-that-plant-protein-is-better-for-you-than-animal-protein?utm_source=pocket-newtab
 

HankD

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I'm with Hobie - I'm gravitating to a vegan/vegetarian diet though I succumb to chicken and fish occasionally and yes even a red meant crash on occasion.

my snack food - lots of apples, oranges, tangerines, cherries, pears, mangoes...
 

Hobie

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Well it seems many are going that way, take a look at the plant based foods coming out...

"What is plant-based meat? Here's a list of some of TODAY's favorite plant-based meat alternatives that taste, well, like meat!
  • Impossible Burger. ...
  • Beyond Meat Burger.
  • Beyond Sausage.
  • Lightlife Italian Sausage. ...
  • Abbot's Butcher "Chorizo"
  • Before the Butcher UNCUT Breakfast Sausage Patty. ...
  • Tyson's Raised & Rooted "Plant-Based Nuggets" ...
"If it looks like a burger, cooks like a burger and even tastes like a burger, it must be a burger, right? Well, not anymore.

"Burgers," made with plant-based ingredients instead of animal meat, have become a hot item in grocery stores and even fast food chains. The Beyond Burger — which Carl's Jr., the restaurant famous for its particularly meaty dishes with ads starring models, incorporated into its menu — and the Impossible Burger, adapted by Burger King as a new Whopper patty, are two examples of the trendy alternatives out there.

And unlike the fake meats that are often relegated into the vegan section, the newest crop of plant-based options are found in the meat aisle at your local supermarket. That's right, the meat aisle! These companies aren't just making food for vegans and vegetarians — they're coming after meat lovers."Want to try out plant-based meat? Here are our top 10 product picks
 

OnlyaSinner

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I've not tried any of the recent plant-based burgers (had veggie burgers years ago) and probably won't, in part due to a recent article in Consumer Reports which included the number of ingredients of 4 choices:
Beef burger: 1
Classic veggie burger : 5
Beyond Beef Burger: 16
Impossible Burger: over 20.
A chemical feast?
Our current diet includes a lot of plant-based protein but includes animal products as well, especially when my fishing/hunting is successful. One major issue with animals raised for food is that they almost always have far more fat than their wild ancestors and often artificial chemicals as well. Meat from wild deer has less cholesterol than turkey white meat and perhaps trace amounts of those artificial chemicals that may be in the critter's environment
 

Hobie

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I've not tried any of the recent plant-based burgers (had veggie burgers years ago) and probably won't, in part due to a recent article in Consumer Reports which included the number of ingredients of 4 choices:
Beef burger: 1
Classic veggie burger : 5
Beyond Beef Burger: 16
Impossible Burger: over 20.
A chemical feast?
Our current diet includes a lot of plant-based protein but includes animal products as well, especially when my fishing/hunting is successful. One major issue with animals raised for food is that they almost always have far more fat than their wild ancestors and often artificial chemicals as well. Meat from wild deer has less cholesterol than turkey white meat and perhaps trace amounts of those artificial chemicals that may be in the critter's environment
Yes, so my wife tells me. But you have to start somewhere, then gradually go to more natural and organic foods. I know its tough as I still cant eat some veggies, such as cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and zuchinni...brrrrr
 

OnlyaSinner

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Yes, so my wife tells me. But you have to start somewhere, then gradually go to more natural and organic foods. I know its tough as I still cant eat some veggies, such as cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and zuchinni...brrrrr
Fortunately I like all the fruits and veggies I've tried, though kiwifruit doesn't like me - brings nausea a few minutes after I eat it, even if it's a minority component of fruit salad. When young I had a similar issue with apples but that's long gone, so there's hope.
 

Hobie

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Fortunately I like all the fruits and veggies I've tried, though kiwifruit doesn't like me - brings nausea a few minutes after I eat it, even if it's a minority component of fruit salad. When young I had a similar issue with apples but that's long gone, so there's hope.
I cant understand it but peanuts are now doing that to me, and I love them. Got to be GMO or something, cant figure it out.
 

Rob_BW

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Can it be they sprayed it with something that irritates the throat and lungs, some brands do it and others are fine.
I doubt it, one time it was Ben and Jerry's pistachio ice cream that got me.
 

tyndale1946

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I doubt it, one time it was Ben and Jerry's pistachio ice cream that got me.

Brethren may I have the floor!... Interesting OP on the original diet... I was a heavy carnivore until I lost my first Christian wife to death after 30 years and fell in love with another... She was a vegetarian/ not a vegan thank God but a vegetarian and there is a difference... She would not give up her dairy... So here I am at 57 and I need to change my way of eating... And I did and I know I wouldn't be here now, if I didn't.

Jon if I was you I would get in contact with Kentucky who seems to raises his own hogs, livestock and poultry... Seem to me their seem to be a few farmer brethren on here... Me I'm a city mouse... These farmer brethren seem to eat better than most of us because they raise and grow what they put on the table.

Those who want to pursue a vegetarian diet, it wouldn't hurt you and it might make you healthier... This year April will be my 16th year on my vegetarian diet and I see with all this plant based meat coming up the landscape is changing... Just had a beyond meat burger the other day and it tasted just like a beef one... Oh yeah I do slip here and there, when were at Costco, there is those samples of meat and yeah I sneak one to my mouth now and then, I scan the landscape to make sure the wife is not near... At all other times I'm a vegetarian... But I still cannot and will never get use to TOFU!:Sick... No way, no how, not matter how you fix it... I guess I'm a Veggie/carni... Especially when I go to Costco!

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak?... The devil made me do it?... No I made me do it!... Brother Glen:Sneaky
 

Hobie

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Brethren may I have the floor!... Interesting OP on the original diet... I was a heavy carnivore until I lost my first Christian wife to death after 30 years and fell in love with another... She was a vegetarian/ not a vegan thank God but a vegetarian and there is a difference... She would not give up her dairy... So here I am at 57 and I need to change my way of eating... And I did and I know I wouldn't be here now, if I didn't.

Jon if I was you I would get in contact with Kentucky who seems to raises his own hogs, livestock and poultry... Seem to me their seem to be a few farmer brethren on here... Me I'm a city mouse... These farmer brethren seem to eat better than most of us because they raise and grow what they put on the table.

Those who want to pursue a vegetarian diet, it wouldn't hurt you and it might make you healthier... This year April will be my 16th year on my vegetarian diet and I see with all this plant based meat coming up the landscape is changing... Just had a beyond meat burger the other day and it tasted just like a beef one... Oh yeah I do slip here and there, when were at Costco, there is those samples of meat and yeah I sneak one to my mouth now and then, I scan the landscape to make sure the wife is not near... At all other times I'm a vegetarian... But I still cannot and will never get use to TOFU!:Sick... No way, no how, not matter how you fix it... I guess I'm a Veggie/carni... Especially when I go to Costco!

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak?... The devil made me do it?... No I made me do it!... Brother Glen:Sneaky
Yes, I loved my pizza with all that cheese, now my health has me eating Mariana Pizza with no cheese, and I can no longer have any dairy products.
 

Benjamin

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Grains, fruits, nuts and vegetables constitute the diet chosen for us by our Creator.
Eating vegan is becoming all the rage and I would admit that probably most people would make a considerable improvement in their diet if they turned to it, but I have to also consider who is pushing it and that a lot of the hype is overblown.

As for what constitutes the diet chosen for us we have a lot of instructions on how to eat meat and I would say especially fish.

Veganism is not for me, but I have been trying to increase my veggies and fruits. I think growing your own garden and knowing where your veggies are coming from is important if one is going to go that route.

I'm not going to diss being vegetarian but one other thing one should consider, which the vegan pushers seem to deny or neglect telling, is that without meat you are lacking getting some essential nutrients. I'll share my notes/advice on this:

Be sure to keep up on nutrients.

Plant proteins carry incomplete protein, lack 1 or more essential amino acids.

B12 – for red blood cells, brain, found in almost no plant food

Creatine – for muscles and brain, produced by liver but quickly decreased from plant diets

Carnosine – anti-oxidant for muscles and brain, plant eaters have significantly less

D3 – plant eaters must settle for D2, sunlight

DHA – brain function, conversion from plant food is inefficient

Heme Iron – iron absorbed much better from meat – plant eaters must eat plenty of non-heme iron.

Calcium… Zinc, …make sure you eat plenty of Artificial supplements to make up for the loss of essential nutrients.

People get caught up in the rhetoric…for health OR ethical, and/or environmental reasons –

Those pushing the rhetoric often say the reason is for health but the hardcore advocates are generally wrapped in promoting that animals have the same rights to exist as we do to be on this earth and their rhetoric denies that our creator gave dominion over the animals as well as instructions about eating them.

Some natural animal products (fish, chicken, lean red meat) are not only very healthy but the only natural carrier of some essential nutrients.

You must eat artificial supplements to make up for the loss of nutrients …yum! Read that small print.
 
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