What songs can a Calvinist teach to their children?

No Doubt, all of this in most all places, and in some places, even the last one just after I have decided to Follow Jesus, then the congregation will sing, "I can't recall".

Naa, just kidding.

Bro. Dallas

 

What's crazy, J? Was Pink wrong when he said regarding the souls in Hell that "[God] never loved them"? If a kid isn't elect, God doesn't love him (according to the doctrines of grace). Christ didn't die for him. That's just plain old Reformed theology, and it applies to little sinners just as much as to big ones.

I heard R. C. Sproul asked in a public lecture on election whether or not we could tell a sinner that God loves him. His ultimate answer was negative. Sproul oughta know.

Everything I've ever read from the Reformed camp says the same thing. Those little squirts are singing bad, bad theology when they say that the Bible tells them that Jesus loves them. No one can know whether or not Jesus loves them. According to the doctrines of grace, he hates most of them and created them as vessels of destruction so that they might be damned forever to the greater glory of God.

Jesus doesn't love reprobate children; Dianetavegia is right.

 

Frogman,

I have never met you before.

After reading your posts I know why I liked you so much all along even though I did not know you!

Good posting!

Regards,KJB

 

I don't know about Reformed theology. But I do know the Doctrines of Grace do not teach that there are multitudes who are not or will not be redeemed.

In fact, when Biblically followed, the Doctrines of Grace allow for more of God's creation to be blessed by His Sovereign Love and Election than any other imagined theology of man.

Are there any of whom we cannot tell the Love of God? Of course not. We do not know they who are redeemed, but we can rest assured that God knows them that are his.
Bro. Dallas

 

Nothing unscriptural about this one!

I like it too!

 

Sister Diane,
That song is a favorite in our congregation.

King James Bond, I don't know what you like about my posts...maybe the run-on sentences

Thanks

May God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

 

Yes that is true.....we speak the truth knowing God is always at work.

It is ALL about His grace.

for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

100% His grace. Granted as a gift.

For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

God bless and regards, KJB

 

I like the old Southern Baptist Standby

My hope is built on Nothing Less,
than Scofield's notes and Broadman Press!

 

Jesus Opened up the Way, Nothing But the Blood, The Blood that Stained the Old Rugged Cross, I'll Fly away, Heaven's Jubilee, Rock of Ages (and same with "Hide thou Me, this one was playing when our youngest son sought repentance and found it and gloriously was able to give reason for the hope that is in him and receive scriptural baptism). (At the time of my own experience there was playing, Jesus is Calling, reconciled by a Calvinist because He only Calls His Redeemed, None other will Hear)

There are many others; We Shall Rise, and a Host more, The Love of God; Victory in Jesus, Palms of Victory; and of course, Amazing Grace, which was written, unless I am mistaken by one who would be in opposition to the Calvinist, at least the five points of Tulip.

Well, I need to go now and I will post more as I can think of them.

Probably, though unrelated, my least favorite, and thought by myself to be least scriptural is Mansion over the Hilltop. But, that is for different reasons.

Bro. Dallas

 

Now that's funny.

 

Sing it Brother Ed, you lead and I'll follow...

 

The less fully-committed Chrisitans sing

I half decided to follow Jesus ...

With appologies to the fully commited
Chrisitan song:

I have decided to follow Jesus ...

 

Sadly Scofield's Notes are not the old Southern Baptist Standby but the New Southern Baptist Error. Read in particular the Introduction and items V, VIII, XIV, XIX, and XX.

When the original charter of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary was adopted in 1858, it contained the following statement which continues as a part of the “fundamental laws.” Every professor of the institution shall be a member of a regular Baptist church; and all persons accepting professorships in this seminary shall be considered, by such acceptance, as engaging to teach in accordance with, and not contrary to, the Abstract of Principles hereinafter laid down, a departure from which principles on his part shall be considered grounds for his resignation or removal by the Trustees, to wit:

I. The Scriptures
The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, and are the only sufficient, certain and authoritative rule of all saving knowledge, faith and obedience.

II. God
There is but one God, the Maker, Preserver and Ruler of all things, having in and of Himself, all perfections, and being infinite in them all; and to Him all creatures owe the highest love, reverence and obedience.

III. The Trinity
God is revealed to us as Father, Son and Holy Spirit each with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence or being.

IV. Providence
God from eternity, decrees or permits all things that come to pass, and perpetually upholds, directs and governs all creatures and all events; yet so as not in any wise to be the author or approver of sin nor to destroy the free will and responsibility of intelligent creatures.

V. Election
Election is God’s eternal choice of some persons unto everlasting life—not because of foreseen merit in them, but of His mere mercy in Christ—in consequence of which choice they are called, justified and glorified.

VI. The Fall of Man
God originally created Man in His own image, and free from sin; but, through the temptation of Satan, he transgressed the command of God, and fell from his original holiness and righteousness; whereby his posterity inherit a nature corrupt and wholly opposed to God and His law, are under condemnation, and as soon as they are capable of moral action, become actual transgressors.

VII. The Mediator
Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is the divinely appointed mediator between God and man. Having taken upon Himself human nature, yet without sin, He perfectly fulfilled the law; suffered and died upon the cross for the salvation of sinners. He was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended to His Father, at whose right hand He ever liveth to make intercession for His people. He is the only Mediator, the Prophet, Priest and King of the Church, and Sovereign of the Universe.

VIII. Regeneration
Regeneration is a change of heart, wrought by the Holy Spirit, who quickeneth the dead in trespasses and sins enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the Word of God, and renewing their whole nature, so that they love and practice holiness. It is a work of God’s free and special grace alone.

IX. Repentance
Repentance is an evangelical grace, wherein a person being by the Holy Spirit, made sensible of the manifold evil of his sin, humbleth himself for it, with godly sorrow, detestation of it, and self-abhorrence, with a purpose and endeavor to walk before God so as to please Him in all things.

X. Faith
Saving faith is the belief, on God’s authority, of whatsoever is revealed in His Word concerning Christ; accepting and resting upon Him alone for justification and eternal life. It is wrought in the heart by the Holy Spirit, and is accompanied by all other saving graces, and leads to a life of holiness.

XI. Justification
Justification is God’s gracious and full acquittal of sinners, who believe in Christ, from all sin, through the satisfaction that Christ has made; not for anything wrought in them or done by them; but on account of the obedience and satisfaction of Christ, they receiving and resting on Him and His righteousness by faith.

XII. Sanctification
Those who have been regenerated are also sanctified by God’s word and Spirit dwelling in them. This sanctification is progressive through the supply of Divine strength, which all saints seek to obtain, pressing after a heavenly life in cordial obedience to all Christ’s commands.

XIII. Perseverance of the Saints
Those whom God hath accepted in the Beloved, and sanctified by His Spirit, will never totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace, but shall certainly persevere to the end; and though they may fall through neglect and temptation, into sin, whereby they grieve the Spirit, impair their graces and comforts, bring reproach on the Church, and temporal judgments on themselves, yet they shall be renewed again unto repentance, and be kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.

XIV. The Church
The Lord Jesus is the head of the Church, which is composed of all His true disciples, and in Him is invested supremely all power for its government. According to His commandment, Christians are to associate themselves into particular societies or churches; and to each of these churches He hath given needful authority for administering that order, discipline and worship which He hath appointed. The regular officers of a Church are Bishops or Elders, and Deacons.

XV. Baptism
Baptism is an ordinance of the Lord Jesus, obligatory upon every believer, wherein he is immersed in water in the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, as a sign of his fellowship with the death and resurrection of Christ, of remission of sins, and of Abstract of Principles giving himself up to God, to live and walk in newness of life. It is prerequisite to church fellowship, and to participation in the Lord’s Supper.

XVI. The Lord’s Supper
The Lord’s Supper is an ordinance of Jesus Christ, to be administered with the elements of bread and wine, and to be observed by His churches till the end of the world. It is in no sense a sacrifice, but is designed to commemorate His death, to confirm the faith and other graces of Christians, and to be a bond, pledge and renewal of their communion with Him, and of their church fellowship.

XVII. The Lord’s Day
The Lord’s Day is a Christian institution for regular observance, and should be employed in exercises of worship and spiritual devotion, both public and private, resting from worldly employments and amusements, works of necessity and mercy only excepted.

XVIII. Liberty of Conscience
God alone is Lord of the conscience; and He hath left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men, which are in anything contrary to His word, or not contained in it. Civil magistrates being ordained of God, subjection in all lawful things commanded by them ought to be yielded by us in the Lord, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

XIX. The Resurrection
The bodies of men after death return to dust, but their spirits return immediately to God—the righteous to rest with Him; the wicked, to be reserved under darkness to the judgment. At the last day, the bodies of all the dead, both just and unjust, will be raised.

XX. The Judgment
God hath appointed a day, wherein He will judge the world by Jesus Christ, when every one shall receive according to his deeds; the wicked shall go into everlasting punishment; the righteous, into everlasting life.

This Abstract of Principles is still valid at Southern. Thankfully Scofield's notes, and all its imitators, are on their death bed.

 

My favorite hymn is very Calvinist-leaning, but it was written by...Charles Wesley! The hymn is And Can It Be. "My chains fell off..." signifies regeneration preceding faith.

But then again, I have a feeling ole Chuck Wesley would be branded a Calvinist by today's standards of Arminianism.

 

Texas Sky,
Yes, that song is a favorite of many Calvinists also.

 

You may have a different edition of the Doctrines of Grace than the one on this side of the river.

So now we do not know if Reformed theology teaches the same thing as the Doctrines of Grace?

Let's look again at the topic of this thread, lest some essential idea be obscured by term-shifting.

I am heartened to hear of anyone's willingness to tell the love of God to everyone. I'm fully aware that Calvinists do it, and I'm ready to concede that plenty of them do it more than I. But that wasn't under discussion.

The topic was, should children be taught to sing something contrary to Scripture as understood by Calvinists? Diane's claim was called crazy. I maintained that she was right on the money because of three doctrines of grace:</font>

• No one knows if the kid is elect</font>
• God doesn't love the reprobate</font>
• The song says "The Bible tells me Jesus loves me."</font>

According to the Doctrines of Grace, the Bible tells the kid no such thing. All the Bible tells him is that God loves a few kids and hates the rest; he always has and always will.

If this is not what the Doctrines of Grace teach, I am willing to hear where I am wrong. If it is, then Diane was right.