What songs can a Calvinist teach to their children?

What's crazy, J? Was Pink wrong when he said regarding the souls in Hell that "[God] never loved them"? If a kid isn't elect, God doesn't love him (according to the doctrines of grace). Christ didn't die for him. That's just plain old Reformed theology, and it applies to little sinners just as much as to big ones.

I heard R. C. Sproul asked in a public lecture on election whether or not we could tell a sinner that God loves him. His ultimate answer was negative. Sproul oughta know.

Everything I've ever read from the Reformed camp says the same thing. Those little squirts are singing bad, bad theology when they say that the Bible tells them that Jesus loves them. No one can know whether or not Jesus loves them. According to the doctrines of grace, he hates most of them and created them as vessels of destruction so that they might be damned forever to the greater glory of God.

Jesus doesn't love reprobate children; Dianetavegia is right. </font>[/QUOTE]Well no it is not just plain ol Reformed theology. The fact is calvin teaches God came to save the WORLD. It seems you left this part out. Calvin teaches ALL can come to him..and be saved. Again..you left out.

the order as i have posted before...pipedude for you to view

1)God is
2)God makes man
3)Man falls into sin
4)God gives a promise of redemption
5)Christ comes
6)God invites all to be saved
7)Man believes and is saved

both of us will agree to this.... this is the gospel..right?

now add this..”no one seeks after God”

this is left out by many..yet it is found in the Bible

So where do you place this Bible truth? I place it between 6 and 7.

but then how do we get to 7?

Welcome to election

You see Reformed theology does teach Gods love. right? and...the "standing offer", as bob calls it...is still in place. So God loves the World..yet the world will not come. So God can choose if He wants...for he is God.

And why does he choose?
Lets try this word... LOVE


In Christ...James

 

see below..i hit the wrong thingy

 

What's crazy, J? Was Pink wrong when he said regarding the souls in Hell that "[God] never loved them"? If a kid isn't elect, God doesn't love him (according to the doctrines of grace). Christ didn't die for him. That's just plain old Reformed theology, and it applies to little sinners just as much as to big ones.

I heard R. C. Sproul asked in a public lecture on election whether or not we could tell a sinner that God loves him. His ultimate answer was negative. Sproul oughta know.

Everything I've ever read from the Reformed camp says the same thing. Those little squirts are singing bad, bad theology when they say that the Bible tells them that Jesus loves them. No one can know whether or not Jesus loves them. According to the doctrines of grace, he hates most of them and created them as vessels of destruction so that they might be damned forever to the greater glory of God.

Jesus doesn't love reprobate children; Dianetavegia is right. </font>[/QUOTE]Well no it is not just plain ol Reformed theology. The fact is calvin teaches God came to save the WORLD. It seems you left this part out. Calvin teaches ALL can come to him..and be saved. Again..you left out.

the order as i have posted before...pipedude for you to view

1)God is
2)God makes man
3)Man falls into sin
4)God gives a promise of redemption
5)Christ comes
6)God invites all to be saved
7)Man believes and is saved

both of us will agree to this.... this is the gospel..right?

now add this..”no one seeks after God”

this is left out by many..yet it is found in the Bible

So where do you place this Bible truth? I place it between 6 and 7.

but then how do we get to 7?

Welcome to election

You see Reformed theology does teach Gods love. right? and...the "standing offer", as bob calls it...is still in place. So God loves the World..yet the world will not come. So God can choose if He wants...for he is God.

And why does he choose?
Lets try this word... LOVE


In Christ...James </font>[/QUOTE]"noone seeks after God" could be placed at 3b, 4b, 5b or 6b.

How do we get to 7? Nowhere does the Bible mention election, but the drawing from the Holy Spirit to ALL men resulting in our faith and ultimately our election (that salvation was intended for gentile as well as jew since before the world began).

 

The TRINITY HYMNAL has long been the one most commonly used by Reformed Presbyterians. For a listing of songs it contains CLICK HERE&gt;

If Presbyterians do not sing some songs that you commonly sing, why should that bother you? Does your song-list somehow set the standard for what everyone else should sing? The only song list that I'm aware of that is divinely inspired is the Book of Psalms. Does your choir regularly sing all of those? I doubt it. My calvinist church includes the singing of psalms in every service, but I'm not on here trashing others for not doing it.

 

Some songs that this Calvinist has taught his 4 year old to know by heart:

Great is Thy Faithfulness
It is Well With My Soul
Amazing Grace
O the Deep Deep Love of Jesus
And Can it Be
A Mighty Fortess is our God
My Jesus I Love Thee
Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing
Holy Holy Holy
All Hail the Power of Jesus Name
My Hope is Built on Nothing Less
Psalm 23
Psalm 98
Psalm 100
Psalm 150

And her favorite... Crown Him With Many Crowns.

And Yes, she knows Jesus Loves Me, too.

 

"noone seeks after God" could be placed at 3b, 4b, 5b or 6b.

How do we get to 7? Nowhere does the Bible mention election, but the drawing from the Holy Spirit to ALL men resulting in our faith and ultimately our election (that salvation was intended for gentile as well as jew since before the world began). [/QUOTE]

Yes you are so right webdog. But john 1 makes it last till after 6. For Christ comes..and the world does not understand..even after he comes.

as to election..election only means Choosen by God. We must place on this..a meaning. Some say it is the Church body..and not one person. yet the Bible says it is the church..a nation..a person. It takes on the meaning of the context. Still..what does it mean to be choosen by God? not who...but what does choosen mean? I think is means..God elected to share his love with me.

so..anyway..back to what you said above. how does this come about?

Romans 10
13 For, "every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved." 14 But how are men to call upon him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher? 15 And how can men preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach good news!" 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel; for Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?" 17 So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes by the preaching of Christ. 18 But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have; for "Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world." 19 Again I ask, did Israel not understand? First Moses says, "I will make you jealous of those who are not a nation; with a foolish nation I will make you angry." 20 Then Isaiah is so bold as to say, "I have been found by those who did not seek me; I have shown myself to those who did not ask for me." 21 But of Israel he says, "All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and contrary people."

so...the preacher must go..for man will not seek...
the preacher must tell...
the sinner must hear....
the sinner must understand....
the sinner has faith....
salvation

if you wounder where i get the understand part...look down in 19. The jews were Gods Choosen nation. Did all jews understand and have faith? no. understanding must come before faith.

so my list stands as before...and yes God elects to share his love.

notice also...in 20
Isaiah was found along with those that did not seek God.

also..21
The offer is out all day long......yet men are disobedient and contrary people

In Christ...james

 

Bro. Dallas,

That was a great answer you gave to TexasSky's question on evangelism, and it is the answer that most Calvinists would give, if they had the godly patience you displayed. Many times, I think we feel the question is being asked to not look for any real answers, but to attack a strawman. (Not saying this was TexasSky's intent, though.)

 

And Can It Be is an excellent song. We sang it Sunday night here. But this verse is theologically incorrect. Jesus didn't empty himself of "all but love." He still retained his deity. What he did was voluntarily limit the use of his divine attributes. We sing it "Emptied himself and came in love."

 

And Can It Be is an excellent song. We sang it Sunday night here. But this verse is theologically incorrect. Jesus didn't empty himself of "all but love." He still retained his deity. What he did was voluntarily limit the use of his divine attributes. We sing it "Emptied himself and came in love." </font>[/QUOTE]I change it to "gave He, Himself, in His great love.

 

Jesus will judge the little sinners
All the little sinners of the world
Yellow, red, black or white,
they're an abomination in His sight,
Jesus judges little sinners of the world!

(edited spelling for rc only)

[ August 02, 2005, 02:02 PM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]

 

can't edit their for they're... to late...

don't get your undies in a bunch, I was just joking....

 

Their feet shall slip in due time....

Jonathan Edwards.

The problem is when you teach kids "children's" songs you nurture their theology to form to these understandings.... I would rather (and have) taught my children the great hymns right from the get go. Holy, Holy, Holy, ... Be thou My Vision... so they have a "God centered" praise and not a man centered praise.