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What We Know About How Long the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 Vaccines Work

kathleenmariekg

Active Member
So what is the optimal booster cycle? If it is at 53% at 5 months, it is even less effective at 6 months. Every 6 months you get a booster? Forever? is that even often enough? Do the benefits outweigh the risks of 2-3 vaccines a year? Is the infrastructure in place to adminisiter that many doses? To everyone? Or will this become the ultimate class divider?

Small pox was a horrible horrible disease, and 1/3 of the people that received the early vaccines got small pox (usually a less sever case). But they were immune for life. Before Smallpox was eradicated, the vaccines were less and less dangerous. But even with the danger of the vaccine, the goal was to eradicate the disease from the earth, so no one would need to be vaccinated ever again. It does not appear that we can eradicate Covid.

Other vaccines are for less deadly diseases and people don't expect to risk dying from them. There is a ratio of danger from the vaccine vs danger of dying that differs with each disease.

Sometimes I think we are practicing with this vaccine to perfect it enough to work against a worse strain of Covid, that maybe is expected. Because the risks don't seem worth it. Almost all talk of boosters was discontinued when the initial vaccines were distributed. Now we are discussing them again. I never stopped thinking about the booster stuff. That played the most important part if my decision of whether or not to receive an initial vaccine.

The current propaganda is that mixing and matching is safe. I don't want to do that. If I get vaccinated, I want my first vaccine to be the brand of the company that I think I want and can stick with. I am thinking long-term here and always have.
 

JonC

Moderator
Moderator
So what is the optimal booster cycle? If it is at 53% at 5 months, it is even less effective at 6 months. Every 6 months you get a booster? Forever? is that even often enough? Do the benefits outweigh the risks of 2-3 vaccines a year? Is the infrastructure in place to adminisiter that many doses? To everyone? Or will this become the ultimate class divider?

Small pox was a horrible horrible disease, and 1/3 of the people that received the early vaccines got small pox (usually a less sever case). But they were immune for life. Before Smallpox was eradicated, the vaccines were less and less dangerous. But even with the danger of the vaccine, the goal was to eradicate the disease from the earth, so no one would need to be vaccinated ever again. It does not appear that we can eradicate Covid.

Other vaccines are for less deadly diseases and people don't expect to risk dying from them. There is a ratio of danger from the vaccine vs danger of dying that differs with each disease.

Sometimes I think we are practicing with this vaccine to perfect it enough to work against a worse strain of Covid, that maybe is expected. Because the risks don't seem worth it. Almost all talk of boosters was discontinued when the initial vaccines were distributed. Now we are discussing them again. I never stopped thinking about the booster stuff. That played the most important part if my decision of whether or not to receive an initial vaccine.

The current propaganda is that mixing and matching is safe. I don't want to do that. If I get vaccinated, I want my first vaccine to be the brand of the company that I think I want and can stick with. I am thinking long-term here and always have.
Looks like every 6 months. I just got a Moderna booster and a flu shot. I stuck with the same vaccine as my initial shot.

I suspect covid will end up being like the flu as far as vaccines go.
 

Reformed1689

Well-Known Member
Looks like every 6 months. I just got a Moderna booster and a flu shot. I stuck with the same vaccine as my initial shot.

I suspect covid will end up being like the flu as far as vaccines go.
So every year and they mis-predict the strain so it is pointless?
 

kathleenmariekg

Active Member
Looks like every 6 months. I just got a Moderna booster and a flu shot. I stuck with the same vaccine as my initial shot.

I suspect Covid will end up being like the flu as far as vaccines go.

If I had to be immunized, and I had options that I don't have, Moderna would be what I would choose. I don't know anyone in my offline acquaintances that has had the option of three Moderna vaccines.

When vaccines finally started being distributed to us slum-dwellers, it was primarily J&J, and Pfizer only if someone had some stock that was nearing its expiration date that needed to be unloaded. The poor got the leftovers and scraps, whatever happened to be the scraps of the day. Fresh Moderna was never part of the scraps. Who has access to a steady supply of Moderna? Hospitals? Certain branches of the government?

Good luck!!!! May we all have good luck and be protected whatever we choose, or can get.
 

JonC

Moderator
Moderator
If I had to be immunized, and I had options that I don't have, Moderna would be what I would choose. I don't know anyone in my offline acquaintances that has had the option of three Moderna vaccines.

When vaccines finally started being distributed to us slum-dwellers, it was primarily J&J, and Pfizer only if someone had some stock that was nearing its expiration date that needed to be unloaded. The poor got the leftovers and scraps, whatever happened to be the scraps of the day. Fresh Moderna was never part of the scraps. Who has access to a steady supply of Moderna? Hospitals? Certain branches of the government?

Good luck!!!! May we all have good luck and be protected whatever we choose, or can get.
I'm in South Carolina (Augusta GA area). CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, Target, and Krogers have all 3 vaccines.

When they first started we had to get what they had. At one time it was Moderna (most people wanted Pfizer at the start).

I guess a benefit of living in a vaccination hesitant area is the vaccines that are avaliable.
 

JonC

Moderator
Moderator
So, more like, TWICE a "year and they mis-predict the strain so it is pointless?"
Most of the time they predict correctly (since it takes 6 months to develop the vaccine they use surveillance and models).

The last time there was a mismatch was during the 2014-2015 flu season, which resulted in decreasing the effectiveness of the Influenza vaccine to 19%.

This year looks like we have a flu shot that covers 4 Influenza viruses.
 

kathleenmariekg

Active Member
I'm in South Carolina (Augusta GA area). CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, Target, and Krogers have all 3 vaccines.

When they first started we had to get what they had. At one time it was Moderna (most people wanted Pfizer at the start).

I guess a benefit of living in a vaccination hesitant area is the vaccines that are avaliable.

I am so glad that you have such easy access to choose what you want! I hope that is reflective of more of the country than I realized!
 

kathleenmariekg

Active Member
Most of the time they predict correctly (since it takes 6 months to develop the vaccine they use surveillance and models).

The last time there was a mismatch was during the 2014-2015 flu season, which resulted in decreasing the effectiveness of the Influenza vaccine to 19%.

This year looks like we have a flu shot that covers 4 Influenza viruses.

I hope they get as much right as possible, this year. I hope as many lives as possible are saved, despite the larger issues that we disagree about. The better the matches, the more lives saved. This is something that we all can agree on, and can pray for?
 
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