What would be differences between Reformed and Calvinist Baptists?

[Dave G]

I think one of the major differences between the two, are how each sees and understands the end times prophecies.
From my interactions so far, "Reformed" Baptists mostly hold to a-millennialism, while some, if not many "Calvinistic" Baptists are historic Pre-millennial / Post-Tribulationalists.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I'm not sure of the differences when you get to those fine points either. If you are new on here I would highly recommend you listen to @Martin Marprelate. If you come from a fundamental Baptist background like I do you are going to be weak on understanding covenant theology and you will always be pulled toward free will theology. We are human and affected by how we are brought up, good or bad.

I have been saved 10 years . I don't have a Baptist background.

I am married to a Calvinistic man and have a good educational surrounding. God made sure.

I'm just slower... Just enjoying being Christian really. I will check out the person you mentioned.

 

[KenH]

would that group be similar then to Particular Baptists?

I would say similar to certain theologians rather than to any single group; theologians such as William Gadsby, Joseph Irons, J.K. Popham, John Gill, J.C. Philpot, Robert Hawker, William Mason, to name a few.

 

[David Lamb]

would that group be similar then to Particular Baptists?

"Particular Baptists" are those who believe in particular redemption, what some call "Limited Atonement".

 

[JesusFan]

There's a difference, I'm still figuring it out so I can't explain it yet. I'm Calvinistic but that's all I really know.

Reformed and Calvinistic see the administration of the Covenant differently, and it's due to seeing something about creation slightly differently which affects things within the Covenant.

I'm on a reformed and calvinistic board, but I'm new there so still learning. But there's real differences, they are just more complicated to understand.

My husband only taught me Calvinistic.

2 biggest differences seem to be Reformed Baptists hold to a Confession of Faith, normally 1689 one, and also hold to Covenant Theology, as in the Church is now Spiritual Israel under the new Covenant

 

[JesusFan]

Your taking a belief-set (predestination) and acting like it impacts how predestinarians share the Gospel with the lost, but it doesn't.

The predestinarian doesn't know who will or will not be saved therefore, they simply treat everyone as if they are potentially of the elect. (Just never know).

It's a more sovereign God but the invitation to the Gospel is exactly the same - believe and confess and you will be saved.

The predestinarian just believes God had something to do with it when the individual responds positively to the Gospel whereas the Arminian credits the man for "making the right decision".

God saved me. I'm sorry for people who think they are working towards their salvation.

That is why we Calvinist hold to a regeneration unto salvation, and based upon the Election nd predestination of the Triune God, while other base that upon the foreknowledge of God, basically is salvation God doing it directly or God responding to us?

 

[JesusFan]

I have been saved 10 years . I don't have a Baptist background.

I am married to a Calvinistic man and have a good educational surrounding. God made sure.

I'm just slower... Just enjoying being Christian really. I will check out the person you mentioned.

He is at times tough to read, but John Gill one of the best primers to Reformed Baptist Theology, just be mindful at times veers towards "Hyper Calvinism"

 

[JesusFan]

I think one of the major differences between the two, are how each sees and understands the end times prophecies.
From my interactions so far, "Reformed" Baptists mostly hold to a-millennialism, while some, if not many "Calvinistic" Baptists are historic Pre-millennial / Post-Tribulationalists.

Quite a Few Calvinist Baptists also tend to separate Israel and Chgurch, holding to more Dispy Eschatology, see Dt John MacArthur

 

[JesusFan]

"Particular Baptists" are those who believe in particular redemption, what some call "Limited Atonement".

Which seems to be the one point of the Doctrines of Grace many dispute over

 

[Dave G]

Quite a Few Calvinist Baptists also tend to separate Israel and Chgurch

I see the Scripture making a distinction between physical Israel and the Gentile nations, and spiritual "Israel"...
God's elect out of every tongue, tribe and nation;
Which includes both Gentiles and Jews.

The Lord refers to it as "the Israel of God" in several places in the New Testament epistles.
I suppose that that would make me a "Calvinistic Baptist".

holding to more Dispy Eschatology, see Dt John MacArthur

I don't see "Dispensationalism" when I read God's word for myself, though I do agree with elements of it...
Especially a pre-millenial return of the Lord Jesus, a 3.5 year "great tribulation" preceding His return, and a 1,000 year reign of Christ from Jerusalem that ends right before the new heavens and the new earth are created.

As for John MacArthur, I never really paid much attention in that direction.
Years ago I heard some of his programs on the radio, but can't remember anything in detail.

 

[37818]

A 15 minute video on this

 

[Jerome]

Quite a Few Calvinist Baptists also tend to separate Israel and Chgurch, holding to more Dispy Eschatology, see Dt John MacArthur

Well said!

 

[David Lamb]

Quite a Few Calvinist Baptists also tend to separate Israel and Chgurch, holding to more Dispy Eschatology, see Dt John MacArthur

I'm glad you included those words "Quite a few." I believe Calvinistic doctrines, and I'm a Baptist, but I am certainly not dispensational.

 

[JesusFan]

I'm glad you included those words "Quite a few." I believe Calvinistic doctrines, and I'm a Baptist, but I am certainly not dispensational.

That is why Calvinist Baptists tend to accept just doctrines of Grace, while RB accept entire Calvinism, including Covenant theology and Confessions of the Faith, and why many Presbartarians deny RB are really reformed, as they deny CT and infant Baptism.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

A 15 minute video on this

I thought that was a very good summary, though I would have been happy to listen for 20 minutes and had the guy speak a little more slowly!

 

[JesusFan]

The big difference between Reformed seems to be is the NC the same as Old Covenant but fully expanded, or is it really a brand New Covenant with God?

And that is why all Reformed are Calvinists, but not Old Calvinists are Reformed

 

[David Lamb]

That is why Calvinist Baptists tend to accept just doctrines of Grace, while RB accept entire Calvinism, including Covenant theology and Confessions of the Faith, and why many Presbartarians deny RB are really reformed, as they deny CT and infant Baptism.

I think usage must differ depending on where you live. Reformed or Grace Baptists tend to be Calvinistic, and they do accept Confessions of Faith and CT. I know Wikipedia isn't always to be relied on, but its article on Reformed Baptists begins: "Reformed Baptists, also historically called Particular Baptists, or even Calvinistic Baptists,[1] are Baptists that hold to a Calvinist soteriology (salvation belief)."

 

[JesusFan]

Strictly speaking, seems that Calvinist Baptists hold Doctrines of Grace, while Reformed Baptist also hold to Covenant theology proper, and using Confessions of Faith

Many Calvinist Baptists still tend to separate Israel and the Church, While RB see Church as now Spiritual Israel

 

[37818]

To be Reformed Baptist is more than the five solas and five points of Calvinism.

 

[canadyjd]

Yes I know that none of them will say that but the determinism / ordination view requires that outcome.

You want God to determine all things but for some reason He does not determine sin. Is sin not part of all things, can man do other than what God has determined for him to do.

The fact you continue to say man has no free will is the trip wire for your view.

“Sin” is falling short or “missing the mark” of what God expects of human beings.

God does not “cause” sin. We sin because of our corrupted human nature causes us to sin.

If I tell someone “don’t put your hand in that fire, it will burn you”. When they decide to stick their hand in the fire, and are burned, that doesn’t mean I caused their hand to be burned.

I don’t need a lecture on theology from someone who believes many are saved having never heard the gospel.

Peace to you