What's the AUTHORITY for an English Bible?

[rlvaughn]

"BY WHAT AUTHORITY do you believe we should have an ENGLISH translation of the BIBLE?" The answer to this question is VERY important to the veracity of using English translations of the Bible, as no doctrine not found in Scripture can be true. We know the English translations are MAN-MADE in their origin.

We're not talking about PREFERENCES. Most everyone has preferences of reading a translation in their own language. We're talking about the belief that it is valid to have and use an English Bible translation.

Without any AUTHORITY for the English Bible translation, we can only conclude it's FALSE, and should not be believed by any Christian. So, let's see the AUTHORITY for English Bible translation or an admission that it's false.

 

[thatbrian]

"BY WHAT AUTHORITY do you believe we should have an ENGLISH translation of the BIBLE?" The answer to this question is VERY important to the veracity of using English translations of the Bible, as no doctrine not found in Scripture can be true. We know the English translations are MAN-MADE in their origin.

We're not talking about PREFERENCES. Most everyone has preferences of reading a translation in their own language. We're talking about the belief that it is valid to have and use an English Bible translation.

Without any AUTHORITY for the English Bible translation, we can only conclude it's FALSE, and should not be believed by any Christian. So, let's see the AUTHORITY for English Bible translation or an admission that it's false.

Having a translation in one's language and worshiping the KJV are two completely different things, and you are too intelligent not to know that.

 

[delizzle]

Having a translation in one's language and worshiping the KJV are two completely different things, and you are too intelligent not to know that.

They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”
Acts 2:3‭-‬12 NIV


Notice that at pentecost the apostles were able to share God's word in other languages. It was not the other way around (People did not suddenly understand ancient hebrew or Greek). Likewise it is true with the written word. It is translated in other languages. Not like Islam where they are forced to learn Arabic in order to read it.

 

[rlvaughn]

Having a translation in one's language and worshiping the KJV are two completely different things, and you are too intelligent not to know that.

I would be careful asserting I am "too intelligent" for anything.

I tried to make a point in reasonable sentences in the other thread, which seemed to be lost on the respondents. So I thought I'm try to make it with sarcasm instead.

They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”
Acts 2:3‭-‬12 NIV

Notice that at pentecost the apostles were able to share God's word in other languages. It was not the other way around (People did not suddenly understand ancient hebrew). Likewise it is true with the written word. It is translated in other languages. Not like Islam where they are forced to learn Arabic in order to read it.

Don't see any English in there, nor any command for a written translation of the Bible.

 

[Pastor_Bob]

Having a translation in one's language and worshiping the KJV are two completely different things, and you are too intelligent not to know that.

I know countless men that hold, to some degree, a KJVO position. I know no one who worships the KJV. I, personally, do not know anyone who holds the KJV as more authoritative than the Greek or Hebrews texts. I do, however, know countless men who believe that God promised to preserve His Word and that He has done so for English-speaking people in the KJV. I've explained my basis for that opinion many times here throughout the years.

I do not see any KJVO pushing an agenda here on the BB. What I do see is several threads popping up dealing with an issue that is not an issue to anyone else. My only conclusion is that some are starting these threads in an effort to draw some out for the sake of attacking their position and ultimately end up attacking them personally.

 

[Rippon]

I know countless men who believe that God promised to preserve His Word and that He has done so for English-speaking people in the KJV.

In your estimation has the Lord used any other English versions for His glory and the extension of His Kingdom?

I do not see any KJVO pushing an agenda here on the BB.

You've got to be kidding man.

 

[thatbrian]

I know countless men that hold, to some degree, a KJVO position. I know no one who worships the KJV.

I understand your point, and I agree that now one overtly worships the KJV. The worship I am speaking of is a more subtle form. It is not setting up a shrine to the KJV. It is treating it with reverence which should be reserved for God alone.

My only conclusion is that some are starting these threads in an effort to draw some out for the sake of attacking their position and ultimately end up attacking them personally.

You may correct. These discussions often get personal; however, at least at the moment, I am concerned with the position of KJVO and how it harms both men and Church.

 

[Pastor_Bob]

In your estimation has the Lord used any other English versions for His glory and the extension of His Kingdom?

Most definitely.

 

[rlvaughn]

Having English Bible translations is a belief based on faith in having one's "own language" translation. It has no actual backing in scripture, but rather in the minds of its adherents. It's entirely man-made, with no Scriptural backing whatsoever. Thus, I ask what their AUTHORITY is for having English Bible translations.

There's simply NOTHING FROM GOD supporting any translation of His word in any languages. The multiplying of English translations causes rift and division in churches, and is not based upon ANY AUTHORITY, so would seem to be not from God.

Everyone has preferences, but not all doctrines of faith & worship have AUTHORITY to make them valid. We know the making of English translations isn't found in any English translation of the Bible, so it's very appropriate to ask where/what the authority comes from. BY WHAT AUTHORITY does one declare English translations of the Bible to be valid??

 

[Pastor_Bob]

I understand your point, and I agree that now one overtly worships the KJV. The worship I am speaking of is a more subtle form. It is not setting up a shrine to the KJV. It is treating it with reverence which should be reserved for God alone.

I believe the Word of God should indeed be reverenced (Psalms 138:2). It is not that men are reverencing the KJV per se; it is that men are reverencing the Word of God which they believe has been providentially preserved in the KJV.

To quote a friend, "The believer who has full confidence in his King James Bible as the preserved word of God in the English language is my fellow traveler -- considerably more so then [sic] the believer who refuses to see God's marvelous Providential Preservation of our King James Bible."

 

[delizzle]

Don't see any English in there, nor any command for a written translation of the Bible.

Well, technically there is no command to write a Bible either. So...

 

[rlvaughn]

Well, technically there is no command to write a Bible either. So...

We certainly have none, but I'd say there is evidence within the Bible that Moses, David, Peter, Paul, John, and others were commanded to write.

 

[thatbrian]

"BY WHAT AUTHORITY do you believe we should have an ENGLISH translation of the BIBLE?" The answer to this question is VERY important to the veracity of using English translations of the Bible, as no doctrine not found in Scripture can be true. We know the English translations are MAN-MADE in their origin.

We're not talking about PREFERENCES. Most everyone has preferences of reading a translation in their own language. We're talking about the belief that it is valid to have and use an English Bible translation.

Without any AUTHORITY for the English Bible translation, we can only conclude it's FALSE, and should not be believed by any Christian. So, let's see the AUTHORITY for English Bible translation or an admission that it's false.

I think that we all would agree that there is no direct command to translate Greek and Hebrew into English, but the Great Command implies translation, as well as Romans 10:14.

 

[rlvaughn]

So no AUTHORITY?
(Which Great Command?)

 

[thatbrian]

So no AUTHORITY?
(Which Great Command?)

Apologies. I meant the Great Commission.

 

[delizzle]

Apologies. I meant the Great Commission.

Also, the example of the Pentecost (Acts 2) very clearly demonstrates that the gospel was to be share to others in their languages.

 

[rlvaughn]

And, of course, these examples fall short of the Bible being translated into their languages.

 

[thatbrian]

And, of course, these examples fall short of the Bible being translated into their languages.

There was no "Bible" to translate.

 

[rlvaughn]

And so wouldn't support Bible translation.

 

[thatbrian]

And so wouldn't support Bible translation.

No ability to teach men everything Christ commanded without Greek lessons or translation. You decide which one He advised.

BYW, I was never told by Jesus to sleep, so I have been awake for 35 years. I do take short naps because He did say to "rest", but there is no authority to sleep by the lips of Jesus.