What's the AUTHORITY for "King-James-Version-Only"?

[robycop3]

We left off in a previous thread with "One Baptism's" failure to answer the very-pertinent question, "BY WHAT AUTHORITY do you believe the KJVO myth?" The answer to this question is VERY important to the veracity of KJVO, as no doctrine of faith/worship not found in Scripture can be true. And we know the MAN-MADE origin of KJVO.

We're not talking about PREFERENCES. Every one of us has preferences and fave Bible versions among the many available. We're talking about the belief that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation. That belief is taught as a doctrine in many circles, while many of us, including I, believe it's false.

Perhaps some of you other KJVOs can help the gentleman out. After all, that same standard applies to you as well.

Without any AUTHORITY for the KJVO doctrine, we can only conclude it's FALSE, and should not be believed by any Christian. So, let's see the AUTHORITY for KJVO or an admission that it's false and you believers of it have been deceived.

 

[thatbrian]

We left off in a previous thread with "One Baptism's" failure to answer the very-pertinent question, "BY WHAT AUTHORITY do you believe the KJVO myth?" The answer to this question is VERY important to the veracity of KJVO, as no doctrine of faith/worship not found in Scripture can be true. And we know the MAN-MADE origin of KJVO.

We're not talking about PREFERENCES. Every one of us has preferences and fave Bible versions among the many available. We're talking about the belief that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation. That belief is taught as a doctrine in many circles, while many of us, including I, believe it's false.

Perhaps some of you other KJVOs can help the gentleman out. After all, that same standard applies to you as well.

Without any AUTHORITY for the KJVO doctrine, we can only conclude it's FALSE, and should not be believed by any Christian. So, let's see the AUTHORITY for KJVO or an admission that it's false and you believers of it have been deceived.

KJVO is a faith-based belief system which has no actual backing, except in the minds of its adherents.

 

[robycop3]

KJVO is a faith-based belief system which has no actual backing, except in the minds of its adherents.

Yes, their "faith" is actually guesswork. BIBLICAL faith is based upon substance & evidence (Heb. 11:1) & the KJVO myth has neither. It's entirely man-made, with no Scriptural backing whatsoever. Thus, I ask the KJVOs what their AUTHORITY is for believing KJVO.

 

[Pastor_Bob]

It’s really very simple. God promised to preserve His Word. He either did so through a line of conflicting extant texts, or He did so through a line of extant texts which have overwhelming agreement. The strawman that would imply that we do not believe God’s Word existed prior to 1611 is simply absurd. Since God promised to preserve His Word, it has to exist. We, by faith, believe that, for English speaking people, it is found in the King James Version due solely on its textual basis. If you must have an authority for this position, that is it.

Granted, there are some who would take this to an unhealthy and unbiblical extreme. The truth is most often found in the middle.

 

[robycop3]

I wonder about the "line" of texts, since in Luke 4:16-21, Jesus read aloud from a copy of Isaiah that certainly didn't match the copy used in the Old testament. The verses He read were Isaiah 61:1-3 & 42:7, according to our verse-numbering system.

And several newer English Bible translations, such as the NKJV, use the same sources the KJV used, plus some of those those that've been found since the KJV was made. I DO NOT believe God has ever caused a "be-all, end-all" English translation to be made, and as He causes/allows the language to change, He causes His word to be updated in newer translations to keep it before the people in easily-understood form.

There's simply NOTHING FROM GOD supporting any one translation of His word in any language. While I realize there are bogus versions out there, II believe God's word is alive as He said, and is not boxed in, into any one version or translation. The KJVO myth is false and man-made, not found even in the KJV itself.

 

[HankD]

To say that a translation of the Bible in ANY language is THE preserved word of God is to attribute inspiration of the Holy Spirit to the words of that translation.

The preservation is in the source, the manuscripts, a translation is a "witness" of those manuscripts.

Even the copy of an original manuscript is called a "witness".

 

[Yeshua1]

We left off in a previous thread with "One Baptism's" failure to answer the very-pertinent question, "BY WHAT AUTHORITY do you believe the KJVO myth?" The answer to this question is VERY important to the veracity of KJVO, as no doctrine of faith/worship not found in Scripture can be true. And we know the MAN-MADE origin of KJVO.

We're not talking about PREFERENCES. Every one of us has preferences and fave Bible versions among the many available. We're talking about the belief that the KJV is the ONLY valid English Bible translation. That belief is taught as a doctrine in many circles, while many of us, including I, believe it's false.

Perhaps some of you other KJVOs can help the gentleman out. After all, that same standard applies to you as well.

Without any AUTHORITY for the KJVO doctrine, we can only conclude it's FALSE, and should not be believed by any Christian. So, let's see the AUTHORITY for KJVO or an admission that it's false and you believers of it have been deceived.

The translators of the 1611 Kjv themselves saw their bible as a revision of prior ones, so did recognize other versions as being word of god, saw that others would follow them and revise their 1611 edition, and that there were NOT inspiredby God to make a perfect translation.
None of that seems KJVO to me!

 

[Yeshua1]

To say that a translation of the Bible in ANY language is THE preserved word of God is to attribute inspiration of the Holy Spirit to the words of that translation.

The preservation is in the source, the manuscripts, a translation is a "witness" of those manuscripts.

Even the copy of an original manuscript is called a "witness".

The original languages texts have more closeness to the originals themselves!

 

[Yeshua1]

It’s really very simple. God promised to preserve His Word. He either did so through a line of conflicting extant texts, or He did so through a line of extant texts which have overwhelming agreement. The strawman that would imply that we do not believe God’s Word existed prior to 1611 is simply absurd. Since God promised to preserve His Word, it has to exist. We, by faith, believe that, for English speaking people, it is found in the King James Version due solely on its textual basis. If you must have an authority for this position, that is it.

Granted, there are some who would take this to an unhealthy and unbiblical extreme. The truth is most often found in the middle.

Which TR text, and which Kjv text though would be perfect, as per KJVO?

 

[Yeshua1]

KJVO is a faith-based belief system which has no actual backing, except in the minds of its adherents.

The KJVO causes rift and division in churches, and is not based upon ANY real truth, so would seemto be not from God, but?

 

[HankD]

The original languages texts have more closeness to the originals themselves!

Say what!?

 

[Yeshua1]

Say what!?

the Greek text and Hebrew text that translators use are closer to what the originals were saying....

 

[HankD]

the Greek text and Hebrew text that translators use are closer to what the originals were saying....

Isn't that a given?

Circular reasoning?

 

[robycop3]

The KJVO myth was founded outta thin air by men, and is not a valid doctrine of faith & worship, as it has absolutely NO Scriptural backing whatsoever.

All the verses of preservation are found in every valid Bible translation, not just the KJV. And that includes Psalm 12:6-7, of course. All those verses existed long before the KJV was made.

That's why I ask the KJVOs to provide the AUTHORITY for believing the KJVO myth, and that's why they don't answer. THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY, or they'd have presented it long ago.

So, their authority must be the late Dr. Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, jack Chick, Dr. Gipp, or some other HUMAN. They've never shown us any authority from GOD.

Thus, we can conclude the KJVO myth is FALSE, but getting any KJVO to admit the obvious is difficult, to say the least!

 

[Pastor_Bob]

 

[thatbrian]

The KJVO myth was founded outta thin air by men, and is not a valid doctrine of faith & worship, as it has absolutely NO Scriptural backing whatsoever.

All the verses of preservation are found in every valid Bible translation, not just the KJV. And that includes Psalm 12:6-7, of course. All those verses existed long before the KJV was made.

That's why I ask the KJVOs to provide the AUTHORITY for believing the KJVO myth, and that's why they don't answer. THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY, or they'd have presented it long ago.

So, their authority must be the late Dr. Ruckman, Gail Riplinger, jack Chick, Dr. Gipp, or some other HUMAN. They've never shown us any authority from GOD.

Thus, we can conclude the KJVO myth is FALSE, but getting any KJVO to admit the obvious is difficult, to say the least!

What is underneath KJVO? I think Calvin has the answer. Men's hearts are idol factories. We turn good things into god things.

“From this we may gather that man’s nature, so to speak, is a perpetual factory of idols…Man’s mind, full as it is of pride and boldness, dares to imagine a god according to its own capacity; as it sluggishly plods, indeed is overwhelmed with the crassest ignorance, it conceives an unreality and an empty appearance as God.” –John Calvin, Institutes, 1.11.8

 

[rlvaughn]

And several newer English Bible translations, such as the NKJV, use the same sources the KJV used, plus some of those those that've been found since the KJV was made. I DO NOT believe God has ever caused a "be-all, end-all" English translation to be made, and as He causes/allows the language to change, He causes His word to be updated in newer translations to keep it before the people in easily-understood form.

There's simply NOTHING FROM GOD supporting any one translation of His word in any language. While I realize there are bogus versions out there, II believe God's word is alive as He said, and is not boxed in, into any one version or translation. The KJVO myth is false and man-made, not found even in the KJV itself.

I suppose some companion questions we should ask ourselves are by what authority do we support any translation being made, by what authority do we support using multiple translations, by what authority do we assert that it is God causing all the new translations being made, etc.?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Based on the truth that God promises to preserve his word, on that authority I reject all translations based on texts that are produced by textual theories and critics who treat and handled the word of God accordig to rationalistic principles and omitted acknowledgement of Gods promise of preservation. You will be hard pressed to find any mention of the doctrine of preservation in many of the books written by textual critics who are promoting the critical text and modern versions. The very basis undergirding the modern versions is unbelief. On what authority do you robycop have to use texts based on unbelief in the preservation of scriptures?

 

[Rippon]

The very basis undergirding the modern versions is unbelief.

Jordon, you need to sit this out. Post when you grow up.

 

[utilyan]

Yeah what page says which is the real bible? And where does it say the bible is Final and ONLY authority christian?