What's wrong with you people?

[Jerome]

From the video, it seems they got questions in writing from the conference attendees.

Interesting.

 

[Reformed1689]

Question asked to R.C. Spoul Sr. during a panel discussion: "Since God is slow to anger and patient, then why, when man first sinned, was His wrath and punishment so severe and long lasting?"

R.C Sproul Sr.'s answer: "That God's punishment for Adam was so severe (perplexed look)? This creature from the dirt defied the everlasting, holy God. After that God had said, "The day that you shall eat of it, you shall surely die." And instead of dying, thanatos, that day, he lived another day and was clothed in his nakedness by pure grace and had the consequences of a curse applied for quite some time, but the worst curse came upon the one who seduced him whose head would be crushed by the seed of the woman. And the punishment was too severe?! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! I'm serious. I mean, this is what's wrong with the Christian church today. We don't know who God is. And we don't know who we are."

Ah, the famous "What's wrong with you people!" This gets referenced every few conferences. In one sense, it was a comical moment, but Sproul was not being comical. He was very frustrated at the very thought and sequence of the question.

 

[Reformed1689]

From the video, it seems they got questions in writing from the conference attendees.

Yes that is how it works.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Ah, the famous "What's wrong with you people!" This gets referenced every few conferences. In one sense, it was a comical moment, but Sproul was not being comical. He was very frustrated at the very thought and sequence of the question.

Sad it's thought as comical, he eloquently expressed why he was so frustrated. A great lesson for everyone.

 

[Yeshua1]

Question asked to R.C. Spoul Sr. during a panel discussion: "Since God is slow to anger and patient, then why, when man first sinned, was His wrath and punishment so severe and long lasting?"

R.C Sproul Sr.'s answer: "That God's punishment for Adam was so severe (perplexed look)? This creature from the dirt defied the everlasting, holy God. After that God had said, "The day that you shall eat of it, you shall surely die." And instead of dying, thanatos, that day, he lived another day and was clothed in his nakedness by pure grace and had the consequences of a curse applied for quite some time, but the worst curse came upon the one who seduced him whose head would be crushed by the seed of the woman. And the punishment was too severe?! WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! I'm serious. I mean, this is what's wrong with the Christian church today. We don't know who God is. And we don't know who we are."

That would no doubt been his exact quote and look if he managed to look at our Boards and some of its posters!

 

[Reformed]

Ah, the famous "What's wrong with you people!" This gets referenced every few conferences. In one sense, it was a comical moment, but Sproul was not being comical. He was very frustrated at the very thought and sequence of the question.

I try to make the Ligonier annual conference in Orlando every year. I miss R.C.

 

[Reformed1689]

I try to make the Ligonier annual conference in Orlando every year. I miss R.C.

Me too my friend, me too. Though the teaching fellows are great. I "attend" Dr. Lawson's Bible Study every week.

 

[HatedByAll]

At my Church there is a quite pronounced difference between the Sunday A.M. service and the Wednesday night prayer meeting in particular and to a lesser degree to the Sunday evening service as well. The Scriptural depth of the morning service just a little deeper than a OT or NT survey 101 class. Sunday night is the depth of the second survey class.

But Wednesday's Bible study is a 400 or 500 level Theology course (without the pop tests.) For example, the Greek is often provided and explained.

Said all that to say a casual Sunday visitor or even the morning only members would never know our Church had meetings deep enough that even all the members with ThDs who attend will benefit from being there.

For those looking for new Churches now or in the past, how many just sample the "survey" level service and never visit the service where the meat is served?

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[Reformed]

For those looking for new Churches now or in the past, how many just sample the "survey" level service and never visit the service where the meat is served?

Why would a church dumb-down its teaching on the Lord's day, especially during the morning worship when the corporate body of believers gathers? If a church is going to hold back on teaching the Word until Wednesday night, something is seriously wrong.

 

[Yeshua1]

Why would a church dumb-down its teaching on the Lord's day, especially during the morning worship when the corporate body of believers gathers? If a church is going to hold back on teaching the Word until Wednesday night, something is seriously wrong.

The Lord's day service should be the main one....

 

[robycop3]

After all was said & done, Adam DID die.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

P.S. I think what R.C. was railing against was general biblical illiteracy within the evangelical church. This video was just a short time before his death. R.C. spent his life teaching. Considering this was a Ligonier conference, I can imagine him thinking, "Have I come this far in my ministry and people still don't know their Bible?"

Yes, the question seems to reveal such a basic ignorance and misunderstanding of both God and mankind (and punishment) as recorded in Genesis, that the inquirer sounds like someone on the outside rather than on the inside.

However, I cannot rule out the possibility that they are asking the question for unbelievers, that is, to elicit the best response to offer unbelieving inquirers. Sproul indicates they had already answered this question. If I were an inquirer, I might like to hear that answer.

One might wonder why the MC lacked the good sense to simply skip asking the question a second time. Perhaps he is indicative of the current plight.

 

[Reformed]

However, I cannot rule out the possibility that they are asking the question for unbelievers, that is, to elicit the best response to offer unbelieving inquirers. Sproul indicates they had already answered this question. If I were an inquirer, I might like to hear that answer.

That is quite possible. That is why I think R.C. overreacted a bit. I appreciate why he responded that way. Taking the question at face value, R.C.'s head was about to explode! All of us are guilty of offending the Sovereign God of all creation. I once gave a sermon in which I said the penalty for sinning against the eternal God must be just as eternal. Likewise, the forgiveness offered by God, through Christ, is just as eternal. Understanding the reality of the first drives how we understand the reality of the second.