When a sinner turns from sin-The way of the Master Moment

[TCassidy]

Many men of God disagree with your interpretations of things.

No man of God disagrees with the Great Commission.

Teach them the Gospel
Baptize them into a Bible believing local Church
Instruct them to go and do the same

Abandoning a new born baby is vile sinful child abuse.

Abandoning a newly born again Christian is an ever greater sin.

Doing so makes one a spiritual abortionist.

 

[blessedwife318]

Yes but not all churches agree with tracts. What of evangelist that are trapped in churches that do not agree with tracts? Should the evangelist just stop witnessing?

Tracts do not equal witnessing. They can be a tool, but to treat them as the end all of witnessing is a true failure to obey the great commission.

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[Salty]

Yes but not all churches agree with tracts. What of evangelist that are trapped in churches that do not agree with tracts? Should the evangelist just stop witnessing?

My post has nothing to do with whether tracks are good or bad - the point being is that a person who shows interest is better off talking face to face with a pastor or other leader in a local church..
and i have no ideal what you are talking about an evangelist being trapped.

 

[evangelist6589]

You have the whole world of Baptist list at your fingertips here. You could get her contact information and then find someone here who could provide guidance.

Have you never thought this out?

I have led people to Christ who were from out of town and I have always followed up with churches in their town - even in the days before there was an internet. There's absolutely NO excuse now.

Seems you really aren't interested in follow-up.

Kirk and Ray had something to say about follow up. I do not follow up. If they want to know more they will seek.

 

[JonC]

In the south it is common to have churches do street evangelism, but its not common in my area. But even in the south not all churches agree with open air preaching. I visited a church that did street evangelism, but did not agree with open air. The group I was a part of was part of a church that did both street evangelism and open air preaching. I told them of my situation in my area and they all said I was very brave to continue to do evangelism in my area, despite the lack of a local church that does street evangelism. I was commended at mens bible study for doing street evangelism in my church by a deacon. So your opinion that a street evangelism must only work as part of a local church ministry is just that an opinion. Many men of God disagree with your interpretations of things.

Pastors, teachers, evangelists.....these are given to the church (Ephesians 4:11). This is not opinion, it is Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17). An evangelist not working as a part of a local church, in submission to others who test his teaching and ordain his work, is a heretic engaged in his own ministry and not the ministry of God (Hebrews 13; 1 Thessalonians 5; 1 Corinthians 12). The Great Commission is given to the Church -to make disciples, not to individuals because discipleship is a community endeavor (Matthew 28). An evangelist apart from a church has no biblical authority.

The problem here is you take Scripture to be opinion that you can take or leave as you seem fit. I suspect this is why your ministry bears little to no discernible fruit. It is your ministry and not God's.

 

[Salty]

Kirk and Ray had something to say about follow up. I do not follow up. If they want to know more they will seek.

So what did they say about follow up?

 

[Revmitchell]

Kirk and Ray had something to say about follow up. I do not follow up. If they want to know more they will seek.

Which is disobedience.

 

[evangelist6589]

Pastors, teachers, evangelists.....these are given to the church (Ephesians 4:11). This is not opinion, it is Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16-17). An evangelist not working as a part of a local church, in submission to others who test his teaching and ordain his work, is a heretic engaged in his own ministry and not the ministry of God (Hebrews 13; 1 Thessalonians 5; 1 Corinthians 12). The Great Commission is given to the Church -to make disciples, not to individuals because discipleship is a community endeavor (Matthew 28). An evangelist apart from a church has no biblical authority.

The problem here is you take Scripture to be opinion that you can take or leave as you seem fit. I suspect this is why your ministry bears little to no discernible fruit. It is your ministry and not God's.

No its your interpretation of scripture that is the problem.

 

[JonC]

No its your interpretation of scripture that is the problem.

I didn't offer you an interpretation. I told you what Scripture states. There is a difference.

 

[evangelist6589]

I didn't offer you an interpretation. I told you what Scripture states. There is a difference.

Apparently you did not comprehend the book Tell the Truth which you claimed to have read. He said in that book multiple times that fruit is all of God and that we must be simply be obedient to preaching the gospel and planting seeds. Conversions is all of God which he said multiple times in the book.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Someone here to provide guidance? Are you kidding? I would not trust the people on this board.

I wouldn't trust everyone here, but I would trust quite a few (even a number that I regularly clash with) to assist with follow-up for a person beginning discipleship with Jesus.

It seems "evangelism" and "open air preaching" is all about you and not the lost.

 

[JonC]

Apparently you did not comprehend the book Tell the Truth which you claimed to have read. He said in that book multiple times that fruit is all of God and that we must be simply be obedient to preaching the gospel and planting seeds. Conversions is all of God which he said multiple times in the book.

I give more weight to Scripture. If your ministry is not a part of a local church, if you are not working as a member of such a body, then you are not engaged in a biblical ministry. You are simply doing your own thing with no oversight, no discipleship, and no biblical authority. God does not bless disobedience.

 

[evangelist6589]

I give more weight to Scripture. If your ministry is not a part of a local church, if you are not working as a member of such a body, then you are not engaged in a biblical ministry. You are simply doing your own thing with no oversight, no discipleship, and no biblical authority. God does not bless disobedience.

My local church is disobedient in this area because they do friendship Evangelism which is not Evangelism.

 

[evangelist6589]

I wouldn't trust everyone here, but I would trust quite a few (even a number that I regularly clash with) to assist with follow-up for a person beginning discipleship with Jesus.
It seems "evangelism" and "open air preaching" is all about you and not the lost.

Wrong. It’s all for the lost and all for God primarily.

 

[evangelist6589]

I give more weight to Scripture. If your ministry is not a part of a local church, if you are not working as a member of such a body, then you are not engaged in a biblical ministry. You are simply doing your own thing with no oversight, no discipleship, and no biblical authority. God does not bless disobedience.

I am a member of a local church!

 

[Salty]

My local church is disobedient in this area because they do friendship Evangelism which is not Evangelism.

Then why dont you leave ?

 

[JonC]

My local church is disobedient in this area because they do friendship Evangelism which is not Evangelism.

Which excuses your disobedience how?

 

[JonC]

I am a member of a local church!

I never said you were not. I said that evangelism falls under the authority of a local church or it is not evangelism.

If you are not functioning within the authority, oversight, and mission of a local church to disciple others then you are not an evangelist. Period.

 

[Baptist Believer]

My local church is disobedient in this area because they do friendship Evangelism which is not Evangelism.

You must be a delightful member of the congregation! What is called "friendship evangelism" is one of many styles of biblical evangelism. I practice friendship evangelism along with other methods. Friendship evangelism, when used with direct engagement, is an extremely powerful method for helping someone who does not know God experience the reality of the Father, Son and Spirit. However, for that to be as effective as it should be, you have to be someone who walks with God.

Are you a apprentice of Jesus Christ or do you simply follow the so-called WOTM?

 

[Baptist Believer]

Wrong. It’s all for the lost and all for God primarily.

Your words and actions scream something else.