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When are names written in the Lamb's book of life?
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Was He?
Or did it occur in the time of human reckoning, but actually take place prior to the formation - at the point of "Let there be Light."?
Remember, God is not conformed to time and space, but such is conformed to Him to be manipulated and used to His purpose. Remember the prophet who came to the king, and the king needed a sign? He ask the sun to back up. It did.
are you kidding , ?Jesus was slain 2019 years ago or so, There is record in the Bible when he earth was created, not Gen 1:1 as you have been told, Check the Hebrew.
I has to mean something else , pro used here as before
πρό pró, pro; a primary preposition; "fore", i.e. in front of, prior (figuratively, superior) to:—above, ago, before, or ever.
as used here,
Mat 11:10
For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before(pro) thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Certainly, all I suggest is that God manipulates time and He is not conformed to time and space. He is fully in the past, present, future as the “I Am.”
The Lord Jesus is both alpha and omega at the same time accordingly, however, human 24 hour spinning of this earth gives us a sense of time constrained to physical factors.
When this is applied to the thread, one can understand why some would argue from one vantage point and another from a different.
However, when taking the Scriptures as conservatively, and holding to the omnipresence of God with no time constraints, then a couple conclusive evidences must be found.
1. The Scriptures must be held as true, that before the land and water were separated names were written and Christ was the redeemer. Job said I know my redeemer lives. He knew the work of redemption was completely finished.
2. The crucifixion happened in human time because God purposed the human timing to be conformed to His will, not because of time conforming His will.
Therefore, the writers may say with all authority, both the names and the Redemption occurred prior (since) the foundations laid. For the end of all things were already at the beginning of all things.
Sound confusing?
It can be if one does mental gymnastics, but remembering God is unconstrained by time and space, and the truth is found.
All this sci fy nonsense about time is ludicrous. It's not found in scripture.Does God manipulate time or even travels back and forth through it?. It is said in scripture there is a difference in time as a day to God is a thousand years to man. If scripture is true and it is then God lives in a real time. It's funny to sit back and just read all the nonsense Calvinist place on the board. What imaginary nonsense will you come up with next.
MB
It is indeed a apparent paradox or mystery. There are allusions to names being blotted out, or promises to not be blotted out, but in the end, we find that all who were written in, remained, and those that perished, were never written in.
Rev. 17:8 The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.
How can a name be blotted out if it was never in the Book?
All names were in the Book OF LIFE, when we ere created and had life. Our names are apt to be removed since we are condemned already but God gives us a opportunity to be REDEEMED, and be reconciled and our names not be blotted out.
The unrepentant names are blotted out and thus not in the Book
It can't, so the statement is ultimately directed toward those who names were in the book. In these cases Scripture says they will not be blotted out if they persevere. And this is true from both a calvinistic and arminian perspective.
Not according to this passage.
Rev. 17:8....The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished.....
Since the inauguration of the New Covenant, the bible clearly teaches names are entered in the Lamb's book of life when those with God credited faith are spiritually placed in Christ and are made perfect. Hebrews 12:22-23
Not according to the verse you cited.
Heb. 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
This is perfectly compatible with names being written in from the beginning of creation. Those names are currently in the book of life.
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Certainly there are places shown that God manipulated time.
One was that time the king was dying, the prophet came to him, told him he would live another 7 years. The king ask for a sign. The sing was the sun backing up.
Did you not know this well known bible story?
Did you not know of the sun and moon stopping during a battle in the days of Joshua?
MB.
My post was not "sci-fy nonsense" but based upon the principles of given by God in the Scriptures.
Now, you may not agree, but that isn't warrant for me to change my thinking. Especially when I have presented now two places God manipulated time to His design.
God does not conform to human time, nor is there a yesterday and tomorrow. God's "days" are not numbered, but humankind's days are (Job).
Once again the claim is made that scripture says the opposite of what it says. Note the bogus claim, "from the beginning of creation."
Now what does it actually say: (Hebrews 12:22-23 NASB)
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
1) Who are those enrolled in heaven? The spirits of the righteous made perfect.
2) When are human spirits made perfect? When they are placed in Christ.
3) When a individuals placed in Christ? When God credits their faith as righteousness.
Therefore the spirits were enrolled in heaven after their faith in Christ was credited as righteousness and they were placed in Christ, during the period since the foundation of the world, and not "from the beginning of creation."
Van,
There is no presentation of Hebrews 12:22-23 that supports your presentation.
Others have addressed this, and there is no reason to revisit the arguments.
Do you continue because, by refusing to acknowledge the truth, you can cling to what is your view rather than Scripture truth?
Again, perfectly compatible. "...who are enrolled..." Those chosen and written in and called from the foundation of the world, are currently enrolled. Not a problem.
Eph. 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love.
There's no reason to deny God's perfect exhaustive definite foreknowledge. I don't even see why an arminian nor even a pelagian would see the need to do this, unless you adhere to open theism.
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are those unrepentant sinners or evil ones that were blotted out?
Rev 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
:were not written" is not the same as "have not been written"
Rev 17:8
The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
not the same meaning Greek says hos ou grapho
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Exactly. There are warnings to persevere, and there are promises not to blot out those who persevere, but there is no evidence in Scripture that men are blotted out. The implication is that they were never written in.
Yes I've read the Bible too and there is nothing in those stories to suggest that time was effected in any way. You assume that it as. You don't know because you weren't there.
Still nothing but assumption
MB
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