When are names written in the Lamb's book of life?

[loDebar]

Exactly. There are warnings to persevere, and there are promises not to blot out those who persevere, but there is no evidence in Scripture that men are blotted out. The implication is that they were never written in.

no opposite, they were blotted out the Psalms verse and others show names removed ot blotted out

Luk 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Van]

Again, perfectly compatible. "...who are enrolled..." Those chosen and written in and called from the foundation of the world, are currently enrolled. Not a problem.

Eph. 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love.​

There's no reason to deny God's perfect exhaustive definite foreknowledge. I don't even see why an arminian nor even a pelagian would see the need to do this, unless you adhere to open theism.

Sir, you have out done yourself, using fabrications and innuendo.

You have spirits made perfect enrolled before being made perfect. Not how it reads.
You have not addressed the rebuttal to the bogus contention Eph. 1:4 refers to individual election, rather than corporate election. Why repeat these rebutted falsehoods.

 

[Van]

no opposite, they were blotted out the Psalms verse and others show names removed ot blotted out

Luk 10:20
Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Rev 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

On and on these posters post, what a waste.
1) The book of the living is not the Lamb's book of life. No evidence has been presented to support this bogus claim, but evidence that it is not has been presented. Recall Christ's promise to never blot out any name in His book. Recall no answer was provided for the question about the need for the OT book of the righteous.

2) Next, post after post attempts to slay Christ before creation, claiming from the foundation really means before creation. Utter nonsense.

 

[Shoostie]

Why does it matter when the names are written in the book of life?

 

[Van]

Why does it matter when the names are written in the book of life?

In a word, "truth" matters. If you ignore what the Bible says, and claim it really means the opposite, you have departed from truth.

Say a false doctrine claimed names were enrolled in Lamb's book of life before the foundation of the world. But the bible actually refutes that bogus contention, if you care to actually study the issue. Guess who might say move along, nothing to see here?

 

[Calminian]

Sir, you have out done yourself, using fabrications and innuendo.

You have spirits made perfect enrolled before being made perfect. Not how it reads.
You have not addressed the rebuttal to the bogus contention Eph. 1:4 refers to individual election, rather than corporate election. Why repeat these rebutted falsehoods.

Seems you're out of arguments, moving to insults. Suite yourself.

 

[Van]

Seems you're out of arguments, moving to insults. Suite yourself.

Yet another empty post, disparaging me and dodging the rebuttal once again.

You have spirits made perfect enrolled before being made perfect. Not how it reads.
You have not addressed the rebuttal to the bogus contention Eph. 1:4 refers to individual election, rather than corporate election. Why repeat these rebutted falsehoods.

 

[Calminian]

Yet another empty post......

Another desperate insult. You need to learn to lose graciously.

 

[Van]

Another desperate insult. You need to learn to lose graciously.

Another off topic post.
1) The book of the living is not the Lamb's book of life. No evidence has been presented to support this bogus claim, but evidence that it is not has been presented. Recall Christ's promise to never blot out any name in His book. Recall no answer was provided for the question about the need for the OT book of the righteous.

2) Next, post after post attempts to slay Christ before creation, claiming from the foundation really means before creation. Utter nonsense.

 

[Calminian]

Another off topic post.
1) The book of the living is not the Lamb's book of life. No evidence has been presented to support this bogus claim, but evidence that it is not has been presented. Recall Christ's promise to never blot out any name in His book. Recall no answer was provided for the question about the need for the OT book of the righteous.

2) Next, post after post attempts to slay Christ before creation, claiming from the foundation really means before creation. Utter nonsense.

I'll give you the last word Van.

 

[Shoostie]

In a word, "truth" matters.

So, you don't know why it matters when the names are written in the Book of Life. So, why wouldn't God, who we all agree knows the future, not write the names at the foundation of the world.

"From the foundation of the world" might mean, but doesn't necessarily mean mean "after" (as you take it) You can't say it's a truth that names were written after the foundation of the world. Neither the language of scripture nor the function of the book of life tells you name are written later.

I said the very first time I addressed this topic that I'd prefer the ESV to use "from" than "before". But, I don't see the ESV's choice of words changing anything.

 

[agedman]

Yes I've read the Bible too and there is nothing in those stories to suggest that time was effected in any way. You assume that it as. You don't know because you weren't there.

Still nothing but assumption
MB

so the Sun and moon positionally do not determine time?

I will assume you are not aware that prior to the invention of clocks, other methods were used to accurately “keep time” (sundials, hour glass, position of the sun in relation to the horizon,..).

You were not in Boy Scouts and trained to put a stick in the ground and determine the time?

 

[agedman]

Another off topic post.
1) The book of the living is not the Lamb's book of life. No evidence has been presented to support this bogus claim, but evidence that it is not has been presented. Recall Christ's promise to never blot out any name in His book. Recall no answer was provided for the question about the need for the OT book of the righteous.

2) Next, post after post attempts to slay Christ before creation, claiming from the foundation really means before creation. Utter nonsense.

Wrong.
The refutation has been repeated by multiple posters.

What is not wrong is you repeating your posts with false claims because you must. You have nothing else to rely upon.

you have been shown:

• Scriptures do not support your thinking
• Words from original language do not support your thinking.

Amazing.

There is not a single Scripture that aligns the point of a human experience of redemption and the recording of some name writing.

Not one.

But you construct a whole scheme in which your baseless assumptions supersede the Scriptures.

 

[loDebar]

On and on these posters post, what a waste.
1) The book of the living is not the Lamb's book of life. No evidence has been presented to support this bogus claim, but evidence that it is not has been presented. Recall Christ's promise to never blot out any name in His book. Recall no answer was provided for the question about the need for the OT book of the righteous.

2) Next, post after post attempts to slay Christ before creation, claiming from the foundation really means before creation. Utter nonsense.

the Books are the same , different language different translation. Jesus will not blot out the repentant out on His own

Prove you point, instead that they are different books

I agree, Christ was not slain before the earth, He committed Himself to becoming us and being slain before the creation of the world, Redemption through humanity was plan

 

[Van]

So, you don't know why it matters when the names are written in the Book of Life. So, why wouldn't God, who we all agree knows the future, not write the names at the foundation of the world.

"From the foundation of the world" might mean, but doesn't necessarily mean mean "after" (as you take it) You can't say it's a truth that names were written after the foundation of the world. Neither the language of scripture nor the function of the book of life tells you name are written later.

I said the very first time I addressed this topic that I'd prefer the ESV to use "from" than "before". But, I don't see the ESV's choice of words changing anything.

I answered the why it matters question, yet you pretend you cannot grasp the truth.
When God's word indicated names were written after being made perfect, why not go with the truth?
Since the foundation of the world means and can mean nothing else, since the foundation of the world.
Scripture tells us the Spirits were enrolled in heaven after they were made perfect, therefore after they were placed in Christ, therefore since the foundation of the world and Christ's death on the cross.
To pretend you cannot grasp before creation is on the opposite side of creation from since creation is ludicrous.

 

[Van]

the Books are the same , different language different translation. Jesus will not blot out the repentant out on His own

Prove you point, instead that they are different books

I agree, Christ was not slain before the earth, He committed Himself to becoming us and being slain before the creation of the world, Redemption through humanity was plan

I have proved my point, the OT book of the living is not the same book as the Lamb's book of life. No names were ever blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.
We agree, Christ was chosen to be the Lamb of God before the foundation of the world, and God's redemption plan was formulated before the foundation of the world, therefore the target group of His redemption plan was corporately chosen before the foundation of the world. However, the names of the individuals were written in book when they were placed spiritually in Christ and made perfect.

 

[loDebar]

I have proved my point, the OT book of the living is not the same book as the Lamb's book of life. No names were ever blotted out of the Lamb's book of life.
We agree, Christ was chosen to be the Lamb of God before the foundation of the world, and God's redemption plan was formulated before the foundation of the world, therefore the target group of His redemption plan was corporately chosen before the foundation of the world. However, the names of the individuals were written in book when they were placed spiritually in Christ and made perfect.

you have only stated this claim of different books, no proof.

The target group was any who repent and believe

Luk 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

2Pe 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


It is the Book of Life, not the Not the Book of Repentance

 

[37818]

I have proved my point, the OT book of the living is not the same book as the Lamb's book of life.

How?

NASB translation of that Hebrew, ". . . May they be blotted out of the book of life . . . ."

 

[agedman]

Amazing how supposition has become facts, and facts are viewed as ludicrous.

Here is Christ BEFORE the creation.

22“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work,
the first of his acts of old.
23Ages ago I was set up,
at the first, before the beginning of the earth.
24When there were no depths I was brought forth,
when there were no springs abounding with water.
25Before the mountains had been shaped,
before the hills, I was brought forth,
26before he had made the earth with its fields,
or the first of the dust of the world.
27When he established the heavens, I was there;
when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
28when he made firm the skies above,
when he established the fountains of the deep,
29when he assigned to the sea its limit,
so that the waters might not transgress his command,
when he marked out the foundations of the earth,
30then I was beside him, like a master workman,
and I was daily his delight,
rejoicing before him always,
31rejoicing in his inhabited world
and delighting in the children of man.

32“And now, O sons, listen to me:
blessed are those who keep my ways.
33Hear instruction and be wise,
and do not neglect it.
34Blessed is the one who listens to me,
watching daily at my gates,
waiting beside my doors.
35For whoever finds me finds life
and obtains favor from the LORD,
36but he who fails to find me injures himself;
all who hate me love death.”​

How is it that the savior can rejoice and delight in the inhabited world?
Because he rejoices and delights in those he redeemed. The names already promised by the Father.

He did the delighting and rejoicing prior to the Eden sin.

​

 

[37818]

The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, . . .

The LORD is none other than the preincarnate Son of God (John 1:18; John 8:24; John 1:3) who possessed the spirit of understanding in that context, Proverbs 8:14-22.