When are names written in the Lamb's book of Life?

[Silverhair]

How is it a gift if we have do to something first?

You have the option of accepting or rejecting the gift but it is still a gift either way. God has made the offer, the gift of salvation, to the whole world but only those that freely receive the gift through faith will be saved.

 

[Rye]

Only God can save but He has made the condition of our salvation being our faith.

John 10:15 - As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Does Jesus in fact know who His sheep are or has that not been determined yet because not every human being has exercised their free will? If Jesus knows who His sheep are that means He knows who are not His sheep. He did not lay down His life for those who would never come to faith.

 

[KenH]

You have said more than once that God saves people before they even believe in Him

The Bible teaches that regeneration precedes the gifts of faith in Christ and His finished work and repentance of dead works.

 

[KenH]

So again you prove that you believe a man over the word of God.

I believe God's Word and rejoice that there have been and continue to be faithful gospel preachers of the gospel of Christ and His finished work on behalf of God's elect, those chosen by God back in eternity, whom He gave to His Son to be their Surety, and to bring them into His presence.

 

[KenH]

Christ covered the cost of our sins

If someone's sin debt has been paid by Christ, then that person will be saved, as God will not demand payment for that sin debt a second time.

If Christ my discharge has procured,
And freely in my place endured
The whole of wrath divine—
God will not payment twice demand,
First at my dying Saviour’s hand,
And then again at mine.

- from a hymn written by Augustus Toplady

 

[KenH]

So you still want to deny scripture and claim man is saved prior to his having faith in God.

Faith in Christ and His finished work and repentance of dead works are gifts given to those whom the Holy Spirit has regenerated.

 

[KenH]

The standard is the bible

Absolutely. And John Gill was faithful to that standard, as several preachers are nowadays, such as Richard Warmack, Bill Parker, Scott Price, Sonny Hernandez, Gary Shepard, for example.

 

[KenH]

Do you not think you will be held to account for your disregard of God's word?

I do not disregard God's Word.

And to be clear, ALL of my sins were imputed to Christ and He was held accountable for them and paid the full price of my sin debt.

 

[Silverhair]

John 10:15 - As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

John 10:27 - My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Does Jesus in fact know who His sheep are or has that not been determined yet because not every human being has exercised their free will? If Jesus knows who His sheep are that means He knows who are not His sheep. He did not lay down His life for those who would never come to faith.

Whether Jesus knew all His sheep is not made clear in scripture but what we do know is that He knew those that had trusted in Him at that point. As God Christ would through His foreknowledge know all that will in time come to trust in Him.

The bible is clear that Christ is the propitiation for the whole world

 

[KenH]

If Jesus knows who His sheep are that means He knows who are not His sheep.

Amen!

He did not lay down His life for those who would never come to faith.

Amen!

 

[Silverhair]

If someone's sin debt has been paid by Christ, then that person will be saved, as God will not demand payment for that sin debt a second time.

If Christ my discharge has procured,
And freely in my place endured
The whole of wrath divine—
God will not payment twice demand,
First at my dying Saviour’s hand,
And then again at mine.

- from a hymn written by Augustus Toplady

There you go again trusting in some man rather than the word of God.
1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

You have to decide whether you are going to believe God or man.

 

[KenH]

Whether Jesus knew all His sheep is not made clear in scripture

Christ said that He knew, yet you blatantly say that He didn't know them.

What prideful human hubris you exhibit, Silverhair.

 

[Silverhair]

Faith in Christ and His finished work and repentance of dead works are gifts given to those whom the Holy Spirit has regenerated.

The bible does not agree with your errant theology.

 

[Silverhair]

Absolutely. And John Gill was faithful to that standard, as several preachers are nowadays, such as Richard Warmack, Bill Parker, Scott Price, Sonny Hernandez, Gary Shepard, for example.

You continue to trust men when they clearly do not actually trust scripture or they would not be twisting the word of God as they do.

 

[KenH]

As God Christ would through His foreknowledge know all that will in time come to trust in Him.

You lay the groundwork for showing how false your belief is in your own words, Silverhair.

According to you, God knows who will do something way down in time through the exercise of their supposed "free will". If they really have a supposed "free will", then no one, including God, can know what someone might do in the future if they really have a supposed "free will".

If God knows what will happen in the future(and He does), then that proves, in and of itself, that there is no supposed "free will".

God is absolutely, totally sovereign over ALL of His creation, including humans.

 

[Silverhair]

I do not disregard God's Word.

And to be clear, ALL of my sins were imputed to Christ and He was held accountable for them and paid the full price of my sin debt.

Yes He paid the sin debt for all of humanity but you have to choose to place your trust in Him, in other words have faith in Him, before you are saved by the grace of God.

You continue to put the cart before the horse and think you were saved before you believed but the bible tells you that you are wrong.

 

[KenH]

1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

If Christ was the propitiation for the ALL of the sins of EVERY person who has ever and will ever live, then EVERY person who has ever and will ever live, will be saved.

As Augustus Toplady wrote in that great hymn:

"If Christ my discharge has procured,
And freely in my place endured
The whole of wrath divine—
God will not payment twice demand,
First at my dying Saviour’s hand,
And then again at mine."

Now, Silverhair, if you want to the make the case that EVERY person who ever and will ever live will be saved, then have at it. I'm ready to see you make that case.

 

[Silverhair]

Christ said that He knew, yet you blatantly say that He didn't know them.

What prideful human hubris you exhibit, Silverhair.

We are not His sheep until we believe, prior to that we are His enemy.

 

[KenH]

You have to decide whether you are going to believe God or man.

I believe God.

 

[KenH]

The bible does not agree with your errant theology.

The issue for any person is not whether the Bible agrees with them, it is whether they agree with the Bible.

And I believe the Bible and its proclamation of the gospel of Christ and His finished work on behalf of God's elect, chosen by God before the world began and given to His Son to be their Surety and to bring them into His presence.