When Conversing With Liberals Remember The Rules

[Rob_BW]

Points south of the Rio Grande had us beat by a good hundred years. Google up colonial spanish racial charts.

Racism has existed since we've recorded history. The age of sail or age of discovery caused a great increase of contact between races. And we know what followed. People before were just as racist, they just had very limited interactions with other races.

Look at other places and times before the USA, Spanish vs Saracen, Arab vs African, Jews in Europe, Roman vs just about everyone else. Horrible racism recorded in their writings and actions.

 

[HankD]

No slaves in the spanish or portugese colonies, then? No elaborate racial charts easily available on google that defined people from Mexico to the tip of South America based on parentage?

Of course there was.
I am a veteran and my loyalty to my country is unwavering and I have/had no qualms about defending it.
But we do need to be honest about our sins as a nation else how can we pray honestly to have righteousness reign starting at the grass roots all the way up to the WH?
Acts 17
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

The latest of these sins of bloodshed is abortion which knows no racial bounds.

HankD

 

[Rob_BW]

I in no way intended to deny any of America's past. I just find the idea that the USA was some sort of fount of racism unrealistic.

The first slaves in America came from a Portugese ship, that had been captured by the English. The slave trade and the horrors associated with it pre-dated English colonies.

 

[Zaac]

Of course there was.
I am a veteran and my loyalty to my country is unwavering and I have/had no qualms about defending it.
But we do need to be honest about our sins as a nation else how can we pray honestly to have righteousness reign starting at the grass roots all the way up to the WH?
Acts 17
24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

The latest of these sins of bloodshed is abortion which knows no racial bounds.

HankD

AMEN!!!

 

[Zaac]

I in no way intended to deny any of America's past. I just find the idea that the USA was some sort of fount of racism unrealistic.

The first slaves in America came from a Portugese ship, that had been captured by the English. The slave trade and the horrors associated with it pre-dated English colonies.

I stated BLACK vs WHITE as a social construct. There was no other place in the world that this was seen as a dominant feature in an entire nation prior to what took place in the United States. For sure racism existed in other places. But we were talking about BLACK vs WHITE.

 

[Rob_BW]

I stated BLACK vs WHITE as a social construct. There was no other place in the world that this was seen as a dominant feature in an entire nation prior to what took place in the United States. For sure racism existed in other places. But we were talking about BLACK vs WHITE.

Were the Spanish not white? In the 1500s their was a white European elite at the top of their colonies, with native Americans and Africans at the bottom.

 

[Rob_BW]

And what's a social contruct? Are you saying institutionalized racism is a social construct, but plain old racism isn't? That really limits what can be debated.

Racism is a sin of opportunity. If there were no countries before the age of sail with a large population of whites and blacks, then of course the racism that existed had a smaller impact.

 

[Zaac]

Were the Spanish not white?

Did the Spanish refer to themselves as white? Did the Spanish set themselves as superior to others because of their being Spanish or because they were white?

In the 1500s their was a white European elite at the top of their colonies, with native Americans and Africans at the bottom.

Perhaps a precursor to what really took off with the arrival of slaves in the 17th century.

 

[Rob_BW]

African slaves began arriving in Spanish colonies in 1501.

I'd say the Spanish got along well enough with Columbus. Must of been because he was white, because he wasn't Spanish.

 

[HankD]

Rob, "man's inhumanity to man" is universal.

Pray for our nation.

HankD

 

[Rob_BW]

From the article: The overall themes that emerge in these categories and paintings are the “supremacy of the Spaniards,” the possibility that Indians could become Spaniards through miscegenation with Spaniards and the “regression to an earlier moment of racial development” that mixing with Blacks would cause to Spaniards.

http://nativeheritageproject.com/2013/06/15/las-castas-spanish-racial-classifications/

 

[Butterflygirl2]

I don't 'spect very many others will say much, rd2. Perhaps way too many have already fallen for the moniker and in real time, ashamed.

For sure, I am not ashamed of being white or, if I were of any other color I don't think I'd be ashamed. I've been called a racist a few times over the years and I really took offense to such at the time. Name calling comes from those unable to articulate and as such, start hurling insults. They are cowards.

But you know what? I don't think our Lord is very impressed with weenies. A Born Again Christian is to be bold. Courageous. Straight forward. Take the nonsense by the horns and expose it for what it is.

 

[Butterflygirl2]

I am not ashamed of being white and Christian and conservative. There is a pervasive theme going on now days that other races cannot succeed unless the Christian white person is being persecuted and attacked. We all know from what the Bible says in Ephesians 6:12, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. It seems we are facing persecution now more than at any other time in history and most people believe this is only the beginning.

 

[Internet Theologian]

When conversing with Liberals remember the rules.

"I'm a proud Black man," said the Black man.

"I'm a proud Asian man," said the Asian man.

"I'm a proud Native American man," said the Native American man.

"I'm a proud white man," said the racist…

...what say you as a Christian.

I agree, as we are not to be conformed to this world, and that includes insane political correctness.

 

[Zaac]

I am not ashamed of being white and Christian and conservative. There is a pervasive theme going on now days that other races cannot succeed unless the Christian white person is being persecuted and attacked. We all know from what the Bible says in Ephesians 6:12, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. It seems we are facing persecution now more than at any other time in history and most people believe this is only the beginning.

What you're experiencing is not persecution, but rather folks refusing to be bullied by folks calling themselves Christians while exhibiting nothing of the love of Christ , but rather of their own god, conservative politics.


Conservative politics definitely isn't synonymous with Christian conservatism.