when did God put all names in the lambs Book of Life?

[saturneptune]

From Eternity past, all placed in there 'same time", or does he have to wait and see if we will accept Christ before adding names in there?

And do some of you hold tht you can be erased out, its conditional salvation in there?

There is no time in eternity, therefore there is no "when."

 

[ryarn]

sorry i made a mistake

 

[HisWitness]

If he came to make the salvation of all humans possible, but not all are saved, then does that make his mission a failure?

Also, if we have a choice in the matter, then why did Christ have to die in the first place? I mean, couldn't he have just kept on going around and teaching, doing miracles, and people would have made a choice and believed he was the Son of God, I mean wouldn't that be enough?

I'm thankful that the Christ I serve isn't sitting around wringing his hands about who is going to choose him. I'm glad he's both the lion and the lamb, a warrior who defeated sin and death, and a humble servant to God the father, I'm thankful that "It is finished" was his cry on the cross. :jesus:

Christ has bought back his creation that was lost in adam and is calling them unto himself--If Christ be lifted up then he will draw ALL MEN unto himself--some in the new testament day--some in our day--some in our future day--and at the close of all things--ALL MEN will be drawn unto Christ :godisgood::godisgood::godisgood:

 

[awaken]

What if no one chose to accept it?

God knew that someone would accept it, didn't He?

 

[awaken]

Now why in the world would he do that? In other words your telling us that your own presupposition is that God ALWAYS gives humans the final word in their own fate -- and in a sense He does, for left to our own devices, we will ALWAYS choose to spend eternity in hell! It is into that presupposition that God breaks, giving us (John 3:16-20) LIFE and more so, graciously and mercifully, ABUNDANT life!

Why would he give us a choice? Because he does not want robots loving him!

 

[Thousand Hills]

God knew that someone would accept it, didn't He?

Umm, you didn't answer my question. I didn't ask about foreknowledge but since you brought it up.

Now the word "foreknowledge" as it is used in the New Testament is less ambiguous than in its simple form "to know." If every passage in which it occurs is carefully studied, it will be discovered that it is a moot point whether it ever has reference to the mere perception of events which are yet to take place. The fact is that "foreknowledge" is never used in Scripture in connection with events or actions; instead, it always has reference to persons. It is persons God is said to "foreknow," not the actions of those persons. In proof of this we shall now quote each passage where this expression is found.

The first occurrence is in Acts 2:23. There we read, "Him being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain." If careful attention is paid to the wording of this verse it will be seen that the apostle was not there speaking of God’s foreknowledge of the act of the crucifixion, but of the Person crucified: "Him (Christ) being delivered by," etc.

The second occurrence is in Romans 8;29,30. "For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be conformed to the image, of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He did predestinate, them He also called," etc. Weigh well the pronoun that is used here. It is not what He did foreknow, but whom He did. It is not the surrendering of their wills nor the believing of their hearts but the persons themselves, which is here in view.

"God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew" (Rom. 11:2). Once more the plain reference is to persons, and to persons only.

The last mention is in 1 Peter 1:2: "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father." Who are elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father? The previous verse tells us: the reference is to the "strangers scattered" i.e. the Diaspora, the Dispersion, the believing Jews. Thus, here too the reference is to persons, and not to their foreseen acts.

Now in view of these passages (and there are no more) what scriptural ground is there for anyone saying God "foreknew" the acts of certain ones, viz., their "repenting and believing," and that because of those acts He elected them unto salvation? The answer is, None whatever. Scripture never speaks of repentance and faith as being foreseen or foreknown by God. Truly, He did know from all eternity that certain ones would repent and believe, yet this is not what Scripture refers to as the object of God’s "foreknowledge." The word uniformly refers to God’s foreknowing persons; then let us "hold fast the form of sound words" (2 Tim. 1:13).

- A.W. Pink The Attributes of God (4) The Foreknowledge of God

 

[Thousand Hills]

Why would he give us a choice? Because he does not want robots loving him!

:sleep::sleep: can't believe this thread made it to three pages before this one was thrown out. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[saturneptune]

:sleep::sleep: can't believe this thread made it to three pages before this on was thrown out. :smilewinkgrin:

I agree. I just commented in another thread, one could start a thread about Dairy Queen, and someone would drag Calvinism into the thread, probably arguing the flavors of the ice cream were decided in eternity past.

 

[Tom Butler]

I'm wondering if we'd be having this discussion if "Lamb's Book of Life" referred to something other than a book containing all the names of the saved, or the elect. The scripture is not at all clear on that question.

 

[awaken]

Well, I guess I did not realize where this thread was going! Because I try to stay away from the debates about predestination and the such!

I know I am a child of God! I know God has called me to spread the good news! He even leads me to certain people or places to share. I do believe He knows all past, present and future! But I have the choice to obey him or not!

Now, I will leave this thread to the ones that want to debate whether God loves all and desires for all to be saved or not!

 

[Thousand Hills]

God's Foreknowledge

The evangelical Arminian acknowledges that God has foreknowledge, and that He therefore is able to predict future events. But if God foreknows any future event, then that event is as fixed and certain as if foreordained. For foreknowledge implies certainty, and certainly implies foreordination. The evangelical Arminian does not deny that there is such a thing as election to salvation, for he cannot get rid of the words "elect" and "election," which occur some twenty-five times in the New Testament. But he tries to destroy the force of these words by saying that election is based on foreknowledge, that God looks down the broad avenue of the future and sees those who will respond to His gracious offer, and so elects them.

But in acknowledging foreknowledge, the Arminian makes a fatal concession. Figuratively speaking, he cuts his own throat, for the simple reason that as God foresees those who will be saved, He also sees those who will be lost! Why, then, does He create those who will be lost? Certainly, He is not under any obligation to create them. There is no power outside Himself forcing Him to do so. If He wants all men to be saved and is earnestly trying to save all men, He could at least refrain from creating those who, if created, certainly will be lost.

The Arminian cannot consistently hold to the foreknowledge of God and yet deny the doctrines of election and predestination. The question persists: Why does God create those who He knows will go to hell? It would be mere foolishness for Him to wish to save or try to save those who He knows will be lost. That would be for Him to work at cross purposes with Himself. Even a man has better sense than to try to do what he knows he will not do or cannot do. The Arminian has no alternative but to deny the foreknowledge of God - and then he has only a limited, ignorant, finite God who in reality is not God at all in the true sense of that word. If election is based on foreknowledge, that makes it so meaningless that it becomes more confusing than enlightening. For even as regards the elect, what sense is there for God to elect those who He knows are going to elect themselves? That would be just plain nonsense.

http://www.reformed.org/calvinism/trf/index.html?mainframe=/calvinism/trf/part_4.html

 

[psalms109:31]

God has the end result. Those who are His are all ready in heaven with God in which we can't comprehend we are just living out what has already happen.

That does not take away people being included in time and those being cut out in time as the Scripture says in the scripture that is already presented in my other post. The end result of the work of God does not change. It still does not take away God wanting to gather Israel like a hen gathers her chicks but they not God wasn't willing nor the desire of God for them come to the knowledge of the truth or not desiring any to die but rather they repent and live.


God has the end result and those who perish isn't because of God, He desires no one to die but rather them to repent and live.

God will get what He desires that His Son and those in Him, those who repent turn to God through Jesus Christ will be saved and no one will pluck them out of His hands. If you are not there by becoming born again by His word the new creation in Christ you can't be plucked from something you wasn't apart of.