When did it all go wrong?

[Matt Black]

For those of you here who believe that the ecclesial organisation headed by an elderly gentleman in the Vatican is the Spawn of Satan, when do you say this organisation started up and hence when did Christianity start to go horribly wrong? Was it

1. When the last of the Apostles died (what I call the 'Mormon view')?

2. When the Constantinian-Theodosian Settlement was Established in the 4th century (what I call the 'Classic Radical Reformation' view)?

3. When the Western Roman Empire fell in 476 allowing the Papacy's power to rise (what I call the 'Whig' view; see eg: Gibbons' Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire)?

4. When the Great Schism of 1054 happened (my view, which is also the view of the Orthodox Church and Magisterial Reformers such as Luther)?

5. When the Council of Trent happened in 1545-63 (the view of some Protestants)?

6. When the Second Vatican Council was held in 1962-5 (the view of traditionalist Catholics)?

7. Another date/ event?

Please give reasons for your answers

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

For those of you here who believe that the ecclesial organisation headed by an elderly gentleman in the Vatican is the Spawn of Satan, when do you say this organisation started up and hence when did Christianity start to go horribly wrong? Was it



Please give reasons for your answers

When did Bush II enter into the political field? History will attest to it, mark my words.

 

[Matt Black]

I thought he was a Methodist?

 

[steaver]

For those of you here who believe that the ecclesial organisation headed by an elderly gentleman in the Vatican is the Spawn of Satan, when do you say this organisation started up and hence when did Christianity start to go horribly wrong? Was it

1. When the last of the Apostles died (what I call the 'Mormon view')?

2. When the Constantinian-Theodosian Settlement was Established in the 4th century (what I call the 'Classic Radical Reformation' view)?

3. When the Western Roman Empire fell in 476 allowing the Papacy's power to rise (what I call the 'Whig' view; see eg: Gibbons' Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire)?

4. When the Great Schism of 1054 happened (my view, which is also the view of the Orthodox Church and Magisterial Reformers such as Luther)?

5. When the Council of Trent happened in 1545-63 (the view of some Protestants)?

6. When the Second Vatican Council was held in 1962-5 (the view of traditionalist Catholics)?

7. Another date/ event?

Please give reasons for your answers

Do you mean go wrong for the RCC?

I'm not sure there is a fixed date that the RCC formed and declared themselves or the pope the vicar of Christ, I would say it was an evolution based much upon the error of mixing religion with politics in a do as I say or else kinda way.

If you mean where did Christianity go wrong? I would say that God's true church (born again believers) have never failed. God's Word marches on!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I thought he was a Methodist?

Like no Methodist I've ever seen. Thats a good example of "The Dumbing down of America" Or if you prefer "The Great Train Robbery"

 

[Matt Black]

OK, so far we have one vote for Big Bad Constantine and one (by me) for 1054 And All That. Would the person who voted for The Big C please tell me why s/he did it?

 

[steaver]

When did Bush II enter into the political field? History will attest to it, mark my words.

Think back through the history of our Presidents and who comes to mind who was serious about the office and wasn't ashamed to profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Mentor and who confessed that he prayed daily and sought the Lord Jesus on the difficult decisions he had to make?

 

[Jon-Marc]

Has the Catholic church ever been right in their doctrine?

 

[Matt Black]

Then when do you say it started up and how?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Think back through the history of our Presidents and who comes to mind who was serious about the office and wasn't ashamed to profess Jesus Christ as Lord and Mentor and who confessed that he prayed daily and sought the Lord Jesus on the difficult decisions he had to make?

Reagan.... Even fought & Called out Godless Communism. Ronnie had the guts to name the darkness. Presbyterian.

Then there was Jimmie Carter.....A Southern Baptist at the time I Believe.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Has the Catholic church ever been right in their doctrine?

Jon, let me be direct with you if I could. There has been so much argument & contentiousness about the RCC in here that I would prefer not to discuss them any more. OK?:tonofbricks:

 

[Matt Black]

Oooh, someone's gone for 'another date' - who was that, what date was it and why?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Oooh, someone's gone for 'another date' - who was that, what date was it and why?

Matt, your an educated man even though you bow to the Queen. You know Christianity took a big step backwards when Connie took control & made Christians Ligit.

 

[Matt Black]

So which bishops did the BBC appoint, and which new and heterodox doctrines did he come up with?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Oooh, someone's gone for 'another date' - who was that, what date was it and why?

T'was I. And I believe it to be February 1531. :tongue3:
Specifically February 11th.

 

[Matt Black]

What time? It's very important.

 

[quantumfaith]

Reagan.... Even fought & Called out Godless Communism. Ronnie had the guts to name the darkness. Presbyterian.

Then there was Jimmie Carter.....A Southern Baptist at the time I Believe.

PULEEEZE, dont get me started on Jimmie boy.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

What time? It's very important.

Good questions when was the commons in sesssion?

 

[billwald]

Christianity and Judaism went off track in AD 70 when the gentiles got control of Christianity and the Pharisees got control of Judaism.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Christianity and Judaism went off track in AD 70 when the gentiles got control of Christianity and the Pharisees got control of Judaism.

:applause:


And they Changed Mythras/Sol Invictus name to Jesus.