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When did it all go wrong?

When did it go wrong?

  • Apostles dying

    Votes: 6 25.0%

  • 4th century

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Fall of the Western Roman Empire

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Great Schism

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • Council of Trent

    Votes: 1 4.2%

  • Vatican II

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Another date

    Votes: 7 29.2%
  • Total voters
    24
Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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Matt Black said:
Council of Nicaea (I). My greatx55-grandfather never really understood the whole Arian thing; I remember him telling me as a young boy, "Matthew, I never really understood the whole Arian thing." So there you have it.
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Wasn't Nicaea later.... they had a few of those councils.

Go back to the 16th & 17th centuries & the Protestants, particularly the Presbyterians had a good grasp on Arian thinking. I was told thats why the Westlys (sic) & Whitefield started with the Methodist movement (but I wasn't there & I am not related)
 
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Matt Black

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The First Council of Nicaea was in 325 and that was the one which (kind of) prohibited Arianism. The Second Council of Nicaea was in 787 and was to do with the permissibility of rendering doulia to icons.
 
Thinkingstuff

Thinkingstuff

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Earth said:
Wasn't Nicaea later.... they had a few of those councils.

Go back to the 16th & 17th centuries & the Protestants, particularly the Presbyterians had a good grasp on Arian thinking. I was told thats why the Westlys (sic) & Whitefield started with the Methodist movement (but I wasn't there & I am not related)
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The whole Arian thing was that Arius an Alexandrian Priest was gaining prominance by saying (and making hit songs) about there was a time when Jesus was not. After preaching
If the Father begat the Son, he that was begotten had a beginning of existence: and from this it is evident, that there was a time when the Son was not. It therefore necessarily follows, that he had his substance from nothing
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. He emphasized the Oneness of God and people really took to it. However, like the modern JW they believed that Jesus was created.
 
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quantumfaith

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Matt Black said:
The First Council of Nicaea was in 325 and that was the one which (kind of) prohibited Arianism. The Second Council of Nicaea was in 787 and was to do with the permissibility of rendering doulia to icons.
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Yes, but arianism "resurfaced" under Eusebius of Nicomedia. He made an all out attempt to depose all bishops who were in agreement with him, although he met his match in his "theatrical" attempts to unseat Athanasius of Alexandria.
 
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Matt Black

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That was why I said 'kind of'; Arianism was only really defeated with the First Council of Constantinople in 381.
 
Thinkingstuff

Thinkingstuff

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Earth said:
Doesn't seem the same without Doc Wally keeping us in line does it?
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I can play the part. Keep your romanish popery damnable heretical histories to yourself! The true body of Christ never went wrong. Lucifer decieved many in the early years and through his church in Rome has attempted to quite the true gospel of Christ. Satan was at work in the days of the Apostles but gained a victory with his Emperor Constantine who he used to subvert any trace of the true gospel of Christ by establishing pegan methodolgy of works into the practices of the churchs in Rome. Because of their apostate heretical evil "God gave them over to their evil desires" and Lucifer now reigns in the great whore of Romanism. His servant the anti christ damnably wears the title the vicar of Christ.

how was that?
 
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quantumfaith

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Thinkingstuff said:
I can play the part. Keep your romanish popery damnable heretical histories to yourself! The true body of Christ never went wrong. Lucifer decieved many in the early years and through his church in Rome has attempted to quite the true gospel of Christ. Satan was at work in the days of the Apostles but gained a victory with his Emperor Constantine who he used to subvert any trace of the true gospel of Christ by establishing pegan methodolgy of works into the practices of the churchs in Rome. Because of their apostate heretical evil "God gave them over to their evil desires" and Lucifer now reigns in the great whore of Romanism. His servant the anti christ damnably wears the title the vicar of Christ.

how was that?
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Isnt the Pope the anti-christ?
 
Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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Thinkingstuff said:
I can play the part. Keep your romanish popery damnable heretical histories to yourself! The true body of Christ never went wrong. Lucifer decieved many in the early years and through his church in Rome has attempted to quite the true gospel of Christ. Satan was at work in the days of the Apostles but gained a victory with his Emperor Constantine who he used to subvert any trace of the true gospel of Christ by establishing pegan methodolgy of works into the practices of the churchs in Rome. Because of their apostate heretical evil "God gave them over to their evil desires" and Lucifer now reigns in the great whore of Romanism. His servant the anti christ damnably wears the title the vicar of Christ.

how was that?
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3 Our Fathers & 6 Hail Marys & make sure you've said a Good Act of Contrition before you leave the Sacristy. Have a good day my son.
 
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