When did the lost know God?

[JonShaff]

I think the verses say they know God from creation

Right, but creation bears witness "To what?"

 

[Yeshua1]

Right, but creation bears witness "To what?"

God as a Creator, but not as a Savior

 

[JonShaff]

God as a Creator, but not as a Savior

But what does it bear witness to? You're assuming that "God as creator" is knowledge already within us

You're saying we have spiritual information within us a part from being spiritual?

 

[Yeshua1]

But what does it bear witness to? You're assuming that "God as creator" is knowledge already within us

You're saying we have spiritual information within us a part from being spiritual?

Lost sinners are able to discern that there must be a Being who created all things....

 

[JonShaff]

Lost sinners are able to discern that there must be a Being who created all things....

LOL! But you believe lost sinners are totally depraved, spiritually dead. So what could it bear witness to???

 

[Yeshua1]

LOL! But you believe lost sinners are totally depraved, spiritually dead. So what could it bear witness to???

Sinners cannot know God in a saving sense, but can and do know that God exists in some way, as they recreate God in their own image to worship that false god...

 

[JonShaff]

Sinners cannot know God in a saving sense, but can and do know that God exists in some way, as they recreate God in their own image to worship that false god...

Come on, brother.

How can knowledge of God in Creation Bear witness to us if it does not have something to bear witness to??? Maybe we aren't spiritually dead in the manner your analogy says we are

 

[Yeshua1]

Come on, brother.

How can knowledge of God in Creation Bear witness to us if it does not have something to bear witness to??? Maybe we aren't spiritually dead in the manner your analogy says we are

Spiritually dead still can observe and reason and know....

 

[JonShaff]

Spiritually dead still can observe and reason and know....

I agree

 

[Darrell C]

Saved same fashion we were, buy God giving them the revelation on the Messiah, they then were saved by His Grace of the Cross, applied to them thru saving faith God gave unto his own!

They are not "saved" in the same we are. We responded to the revealed Gospel of Jesus Christ...they did not.

You said...

NOT in a saving sense, as that requires the special revelation of the Bible and the working of the Holy Spirit!

What revelation saved them?

It was not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No man knew of Jesus Christ until He appeared, and then, not even His disciples understood they were to believe on His death, burial, and Resurrection.

So what is the "special revelation" they received, and how do you explain the Holy Spirit saving men prior to being sent in the capacity of Comforter? The Disciples did not receive Him until Pentecost.

So explain the two elements you say the Old Testament Saints were saved by.


God bless.

 

[JonC]

There is a difference between knowing God and knowing about God, just as there is a difference between knowing Christ and knowing about Him (those two statements are, BTW, identical).

 

[Yeshua1]

They are not "saved" in the same we are. We responded to the revealed Gospel of Jesus Christ...they did not.

You said...



What revelation saved them?

It was not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No man knew of Jesus Christ until He appeared, and then, not even His disciples understood they were to believe on His death, burial, and Resurrection.

So what is the "special revelation" they received, and how do you explain the Holy Spirit saving men prior to being sent in the capacity of Comforter? The Disciples did not receive Him until Pentecost.

So explain the two elements you say the Old Testament Saints were saved by.


God bless.

The OT saints the the verbal revelation from God unto them at times, and there was also the written form unto them, correct?

 

[loDebar]

others did not have any word or opportunity to know of God