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When in History was isaiah 66 fulfilled?
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http://www.worldwithoutend.info/bbc/books/articles/demar-gary_pp_04.htm
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936577216/?tag=baptis04-20
To the futurist, does the New H&E come at the beginning of the 1000 year MK or at the end of it?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/1936577216/?tag=baptis04-20
To the futurist, does the New H&E come at the beginning of the 1000 year MK or at the end of it?
Good link Grasshopper.....it is well thought out and thought provoking.
beameup
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Should read: to the end of the preaching of "the Kingdom of Heaven" is at hand. Transfer from the Jewish "Sect of the Nazarenes"
to the Gentile "Bride of Christ"... until "the fullness of the Gentiles be come in" (ie: the Harpazo/Rapture) Romans 11:25b.
There are about 500 unfilled prophecies that pertain to genetic Israelites ("Jacob" is not the Church).
Following the harpazo of the Bride of Christ and the destruction of the invasion forces of Gog/Magog (Ezek 38-39),
there will be a spiritual awakening of genetic Israel (Ezek 37) and many will turn to Jesus as Messiah and evangelize
to the ends of the Earth (fulfillment of the Great Commission) using the gift of instantly knowing any language, as in Acts 2.
The number of souls saved in the first half of the Tribulation could easily equal the total saved in the last 2,000 years.
And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob,
and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles,
that thou mayest be my salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Isa 49:6
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beameup; and many will turn to Jesus as Messiah and evangelize to the ends of the Earth (fulfillment of the Great Commission) using the gift of instantly knowing any language said:
This passage was quoted in the nt already as happening in the church now and in apostolic times already....
2 Corinthians 6
6 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
3 Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
The nt says this is that....not somewhere in the future.
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beameup
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yes...i quoted the first 3:wavey:
then the second group is from acts 13:thumbsup:
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
37 But he, whom God raised again, saw no corruption.
38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.
Now what do you think????Do you see it now????
isa 1s quoted 17 times in romans 9-15.....speaking of the nt church confirming the promises....
like this.....
8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
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beameup
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I'm familiar with the technique, I was raised in a Jehovah Witness household.
When did all the nations gather in jerusalem, to pay homage to the Messiah of yahweh? When was there ONLY the God of the bible and His Son worshipped alone as God and King over all the earth?
Yeshua1
What verse in particular are you thinking about?
The problem is there is a need to be specific.
With the teaching you follow you are looking as if the Earthly Jerusalem is still the holy city....even with the temple being destroyed.....so you wait for a physical temple and earthly rule.....
There are several passages that swing it over.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
As the church has expanded worldwide all nations do go to the Heavenly Jerusalem in prayer.Positional we are there in Christ, as OUR Citizenship is in heaven ....now-
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
The Holy Spirit tells us in Hebrews 12-
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
The Authority is heavenly....what verses do you think say otherwise?
When was there ONLY the God of the bible and His Son worshipped alone as God and King over all the earth?
Now....but the worship comes only from the redeemed.
What verse in particular are you thinking about?
The problem is there is a need to be specific.
With the teaching you follow you are looking as if the Earthly Jerusalem is still the holy city....even with the temple being destroyed.....so you wait for a physical temple and earthly rule.....
There are several passages that swing it over.
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
As the church has expanded worldwide all nations do go to the Heavenly Jerusalem in prayer.Positional we are there in Christ, as OUR Citizenship is in heaven ....now-
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
The Holy Spirit tells us in Hebrews 12-
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
The Authority is heavenly....what verses do you think say otherwise?
When was there ONLY the God of the bible and His Son worshipped alone as God and King over all the earth?
Now....but the worship comes only from the redeemed.
the prophets foretold a time under messiah when peace would rule over all the earth, all nations would obey Him as God, that His law would be exaulte dover all the earth, his messiah obeyed and heeded, as he was here in a physical form...
When did that happen in history?
A most profound question; not answerable unless one wishes to "spiritualize" a simple scripture.
Or, even worse, to claim that God did not really mean what He so plainly said!
Just have a hard time acceptin gthat this is the time of his ruling over the earth as foretold, still wars/diseases/false gods etc!
You have not answered the questions I asked you to.
Where in rev 20 does it say Jesus is on earth during the 1000 yrs?