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When is it acceptable to hate
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Skandelon
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The concept of divine "hatred" can be confusing because in the original language the idea of "hating" someone could be properly understood as "not putting them first." God required that N
NE was put before Him because that would be idolatry, so to choose mother or father or wife or children over God was considered a kind of "hatred."
This is why scripture says on the one hand to love others and honor your parents but on the other hand also says, "You must hate your father and mother..." in order to be a follower of Christ. He obviously doesn't mean "hate" in the way we use it today, but he means they must not be chosen as first in your life....they must not be chosen over God.
We see this in Romans 9 when it speaks of God choosing one Jew for noble purposes (Jacob) while choosing the other for common use (Esau). "Jacob I've love, Esau I've hated." This doesn't mean that God literally hated or despised Esau as an individual, but instead that God didn't choose him for the noble purpose of being the father of the nation which would bring the Messiah and redemption to the world.
NE was put before Him because that would be idolatry, so to choose mother or father or wife or children over God was considered a kind of "hatred."This is why scripture says on the one hand to love others and honor your parents but on the other hand also says, "You must hate your father and mother..." in order to be a follower of Christ. He obviously doesn't mean "hate" in the way we use it today, but he means they must not be chosen as first in your life....they must not be chosen over God.
We see this in Romans 9 when it speaks of God choosing one Jew for noble purposes (Jacob) while choosing the other for common use (Esau). "Jacob I've love, Esau I've hated." This doesn't mean that God literally hated or despised Esau as an individual, but instead that God didn't choose him for the noble purpose of being the father of the nation which would bring the Messiah and redemption to the world.
quantumfaith
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quantumfaith
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The concept of divine "hatred" can be confusing because in the original language the idea of "hating" someone could be properly understood as "not putting them first." God required that N
This is why scripture says on the one hand to love others and honor your parents but on the other hand also says, "You must hate your father and mother..." in order to be a follower of Christ. He obviously doesn't mean "hate" in the way we use it today, but he means they must not be chosen as first in your life....they must not be chosen over God.
We see this in Romans 9 when it speaks of God choosing one Jew for noble purposes (Jacob) while choosing the other for common use (Esau). "Jacob I've love, Esau I've hated." This doesn't mean that God literally hated or despised Esau as an individual, but instead that God didn't choose him for the noble purpose of being the father of the nation which would bring the Messiah and redemption to the world.
Excellent, I am in complete agreement. :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
Robert Snow
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Isn't it amazing that some people, like Scandelon, have the ability to concisely state a theological principle in such a logical and straightforward manner?
quantumfaith
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Yes, Skandelon is gifted with "cutting to the chase" and havingg very keen and cogent insights. I suspect that it comes from much study, prayer and personal time in the Word. Fortunate to have him on this board.
I agree with Skan's take on hate in the NT, but hate in the OT is not the same.
Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
HATE
ans sane' saw-nay'
a primitive root; to hate (personally):--enemy, foe, (be) hate(-ful, -r), odious, X utterly.
This word does not mean "to love less". It means hate.
I HATE sin. And I do not mean I love it less than something else.
Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
HATE
ans sane' saw-nay'
a primitive root; to hate (personally):--enemy, foe, (be) hate(-ful, -r), odious, X utterly.
This word does not mean "to love less". It means hate.
I HATE sin. And I do not mean I love it less than something else.
In Luke 14.26 the Greek word translated to hate is "μισέω or miseō according to Strong's Concordance. Miseo can mean hate as we use it today as in hatred or disdain for, but it also means "to love less". Miseo would mean to love less or to completely hate and everything in between.
Psalm 5:5 -- "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou [God] hatest all workers of iniquity."
Based on what Amy G. posted, how are we to understand this verse?
Seems to me that it's telling us that God hates all sinners, which appears to fly in the face of what we've so often heard that "God loves the sinner but hates the sin."
Based on what Amy G. posted, how are we to understand this verse?
Seems to me that it's telling us that God hates all sinners, which appears to fly in the face of what we've so often heard that "God loves the sinner but hates the sin."
This Shows your Crafty, Tricky Side!
You are right on when it comes to this issue of hate what God hates, and love what God loves!
Good post, brother!
You are right on when it comes to this issue of hate what God hates, and love what God loves!
Good post, brother!
Tom Butler
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Wonder what David's attitude was when he wrote:
Let death take my enemies by surprise; let them go down alive to the grave. (Psalms 55:15)
O God, break the teeth in their mouths (58:6)
May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous (69:28
May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow (109:9)
How blessed will be the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. (137:9)
(Thanks to David R. Reid's website Devotions for Growing Christians)
To paraphrase David's prayers against (not for) his enemies: Kill 'em, Lord. Kill their wives. Kill their children; Kill their babies.
Of course, Jesus said we were love our enemies and pray for those who do us wrong. Do we have any room to ask God to zap them.
Let death take my enemies by surprise; let them go down alive to the grave. (Psalms 55:15)
O God, break the teeth in their mouths (58:6)
May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous (69:28
May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow (109:9)
How blessed will be the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. (137:9)
(Thanks to David R. Reid's website Devotions for Growing Christians)
To paraphrase David's prayers against (not for) his enemies: Kill 'em, Lord. Kill their wives. Kill their children; Kill their babies.
Of course, Jesus said we were love our enemies and pray for those who do us wrong. Do we have any room to ask God to zap them.
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quantumfaith
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Great Point Tom, another one of the "tensions" in our life as believers.
freeatlast
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I don't think hate in itself is wrong as the scriptures even teaches we should have it in some measure as God has it and He even hates humans (psa 11:5), and there are other reminders of hate (97:10, 101:3, 1198:104, . I suppose it would depend on the emotional response it causes as well as the action it causes. Some hate can bring good. For instance the hate of sin could cause the person to shy away from sin and we are told to do that (Psa 97:10). However the reverse could also be true and the hate of sin could cause someone to take actions against others on their own which is not of God.
In the case of hating the devil and his allies I think the answer is yes based on scripture we should hate them, but again the word needs to be defined and how we handle it in our emotions and actions.
So yes we should hate, but it has to be in accord with God's hate Psa 139:22. We must handle it properly or in a godly manner.
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Skandelon
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I just came across this in search of something else. Thank you for your encouraging words. That is very nice! :wavey:
quantumfaith
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That is a good observation which begs the following question. Are we (being believers) then to assume that God then continues to hate us? Obviously we still sin (miss the mark) and commit transgression and iniquity? My guess is that we would negotiate over the meaning and intent of "workers of iniquity".
After a search of "hate" in scripture, I do not feel it is our job to "hate", I think it can be said that we should take no pleasure in the sin of ourselves, others or culture at large, rather "hate" as I see it should remain in the job description of God.
Jesus sort of set the concept of "hate" on edge when he said: "You have heard it said......but I say to you love your enemies.
FWIW:
http://jesusreigns.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/hate-scripture/
preacher4truth
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I can agree about the hating mother father, as this is a spiritual principle Jesus is making.
The other factors of hate, as in Esau Jacob, no, the principle doesn't ride on over to Romans 9 and dismiss it into first and second place, and it doesn't override the OT useages and turn them into first and second place matters. To do so would be allowing ones theological stance to exegete the Scriptures to the persons views in every passage.
So in that, I completely disagree with skans premise. It sounds nice, and it sound pc, but it's incorrect.
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The other factors of hate, as in Esau Jacob, no, the principle doesn't ride on over to Romans 9 and dismiss it into first and second place, and it doesn't override the OT useages and turn them into first and second place matters. To do so would be allowing ones theological stance to exegete the Scriptures to the persons views in every passage.
So in that, I completely disagree with skans premise. It sounds nice, and it sound pc, but it's incorrect.
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quantumfaith
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The concept of divine "hatred" can be confusing because in the original language the idea of "hating" someone could be properly understood as "not putting them first." God required that N
This is why scripture says on the one hand to love others and honor your parents but on the other hand also says, "You must hate your father and mother..." in order to be a follower of Christ. He obviously doesn't mean "hate" in the way we use it today, but he means they must not be chosen as first in your life....they must not be chosen over God.
We see this in Romans 9 when it speaks of God choosing one Jew for noble purposes (Jacob) while choosing the other for common use (Esau). "Jacob I've love, Esau I've hated." This doesn't mean that God literally hated or despised Esau as an individual, but instead that God didn't choose him for the noble purpose of being the father of the nation which would bring the Messiah and redemption to the world.
Yes I completely see and agree with the issue of "hate" relative to Esau in Romans, after all, the descendants of Esau did in fact enjoy blessings and prosperity from God.