Brother Glen
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When Is Jesus Coming Back?
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Brother Glen
Well Andy did know much about theology but when in came to end times, he got it right, God's children are "The Welcoming Committee!"... Brother Glen
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KenH
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Well Andy did know much about theology but when in came to end times, he got it right, God's children are "The Welcoming Committee!"... Brother Glen
Well, since 1 Thessalonians 4:17 says that the elect will rise up and go meet the Lord in the air, just who is welcoming whom?
Well, since 1 Thessalonians 4:17 says that the elect will rise up and go meet the Lord in the air, just who is welcoming whom?
AH!... A mutual meeting... I like that too but we didn't plan it!... Brother Glen
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
We will ALL be welcoming one another!... A BIG HAPPY FAMILY!
37818
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Well, technically believers are not referred to as the elect in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. But are explicitly referred to as such in Matthew 24:31.
*1 Thessalonians 1:4-5*
For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not only in word, but also in power and in the Holy Spirit and with full conviction. You know what kind of men we proved to be among you for your sake.
Who are the "we" in 1 Thessalonians 4:17-18 if not the chosen described in 1 Thessalonians 1:4?
Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words.
What is it that bothers you about God determining to save you before he ever created you?
Any minute now.
37818
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Not at all. But Paul's letter to the Thessalonians says nothing about that.
37818
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Mark 13:32, ". . . But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. . . ."
And
Acts of the Apostles 1:6-7, ". . . When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. . . ."
[The Son and God the Father are the same God, but distinct Persons.]
And
Acts of the Apostles 1:6-7, ". . . When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. . . ."
[The Son and God the Father are the same God, but distinct Persons.]
So...you can ignore everywhere that it does say something about this? Honestly, have you ever just read the entire Bible to get the whole picture?
37818
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I have the whole picture. Do you you believe the actual coming millennium? Revelation 20:1-6.
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If I had to pick an end time date I would go, word by word, with the scientist, Isaac Newton...
"And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. " - Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton
As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christs coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes
"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
I believe, then, the 2060 prophecy as closest, noting room for error as in Newton's quote. But... My goodness... 2060 is a lot closer than it was when Isaac Newton uttered these words 300 years ago!
"And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half. " - Daniel 12:7
From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:
"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton
As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming will be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christs coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes
"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
I believe, then, the 2060 prophecy as closest, noting room for error as in Newton's quote. But... My goodness... 2060 is a lot closer than it was when Isaac Newton uttered these words 300 years ago!
Over 40 predictions!
Predictions and claims for the Second Coming - Wikipedia
(some of my favorites)
Noah's Ark 500
according to this Anabaptist 1524
pregnant with the Christ child 1814
William Miller (7DA) 1844
Mormons 1891
7DA - Again 1964
I interviewed this guy on my radio show 1988
Jerry Falwell 1999 (he said maybe)
and four current future .....
Predictions and claims for the Second Coming - Wikipedia
(some of my favorites)
Noah's Ark 500
according to this Anabaptist 1524
pregnant with the Christ child 1814
William Miller (7DA) 1844
Mormons 1891
7DA - Again 1964
I interviewed this guy on my radio show 1988
Jerry Falwell 1999 (he said maybe)
and four current future .....
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Michael Hollner
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I believe the rapture occurs at Paul's 'last trump' 3 1/2 years into the tribulation, and the second coming of Christ is 3 1/2 years later.
Michael Hollner
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Where do you place that one 'last trumpet' at in scripture that will occur in the future?
37818
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Matthew 24:31, ". . . with a great sound of a trumpet, . . ."
1 Thessalonians 4:16, ". . . with the trump . . . ."
Michael Hollner
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Yes, the 'great trump' of Isaiah 27:13 (KJV). I believe this great trump sounds at Christ's second coming. But one still has to contend with the sequence of trumps being sounded in Revelation of which Rev 10:7 (KJV) signals the 'last trump' at the end of the Church age, Paul's mystery of Christ and the Church in Eph 5:32 (KJV).