When Jesus cleared the Temple

[tamborine lady]

Yes, we are the temple of God now. All of us here understand that.

What some people don't seem to want to pay attention to is that these words that were spoken by Jesus are for all of us!!! Not just the Jews. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it so!

:Matthew -10-8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Peace,

Tam

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:

Yes, we are the temple of God now. All of us here understand that.

What some people don't seem to want to pay attention to is that these words that were spoken by Jesus are for all of us!!! Not just the Jews. It doesn't matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it so!

Tam

Words have meaning; but they only have meaning when taken in context. If you allegorize Scripture as you are doing, then you may as well allegorize the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as well, and make it all meaningless. For example, the J.W.'s allegorize the resurrection of Christ saying that it was just a "spiritual" resurrection. It wasn't literal. His body didn't really rise. You can make the Bible say anything you want when you pull it out of its context in order to make it "apply to you."

You are like the little old lady who sought to find God's will by making the Bible "apply to her" in a similar way. She prayed for God to show her His will through the Scriptures. So she closed her eyes, opened her Bible, and her finger landed on the verse:
Judas went out and hanged himself.
That didn't sound very good. So she thought she should try this again. She closed her eyes, opened her Bible, and her finger fell on the verse:
Go and do thou likewise.
Once more she tried: This time her finger fell upon the verse:
Whatsoever thou doest do quickly

Yes, all Scripture applies to us. But only in the context that it is given. If we interpret Scripture in the light that you suggest, you would have suggested that that lady go out and hang herself, because that is how you are applying the Bible to yourself.

The Old Testament Temple was just that--an Old Testament Temple for worship for the Jews. It does not have anything to do with New Testament churches or even New Testament Christianity at all. It was an episode in history, never to be repeated again. In it we see the authority and deity of Christ, not the church. You are looking at the wrong thing in that episode. Focus your eyes on Christ, not the building.
What did Christ mean: "Destroy this Temple, and in three days I will raise it up again." That statement should give you a clue to what the New Testament Temple is.

If there is any building in the Old Testament that could be comparable to the church it would be the synagogue more than the Temple, for the synagogue was a place of teaching, a place of learning doctrine. Study Acts 2. That was the first priority of the New Testament believers--the teaching of doctrine. "And they all continued in the apostles' doctrine..."
The temple in the New Testament is the believer, and only the believer.
DHK

 

[jacob62]

Why not just say you do not believe the whole bible because you have mans wisdom and not Gods?Knowledge has puffed you up and caused blindness.Every thing you do not have faith for,you drive around it,claiming its"out of context".You might as well write a Baptist bible,then you could adjust it to fit your Baptist doctrine.Then on judgement day,God will ask,and Jesus will say:"Father,this one is out of context.Next."

 

[tamborine lady]

Jacob!!

Amen!!

Peace,

Tam

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by jacob62:
Why not just say you do not believe the whole bible because you have mans wisdom and not Gods?Knowledge has puffed you up and caused blindness.Every thing you do not have faith for,you drive around it,claiming its"out of context".You might as well write a Baptist bible,then you could adjust it to fit your Baptist doctrine.Then on judgement day,God will ask,and Jesus will say:"Father,this one is out of context.Next."

ROFL! jacob62, that took a lot of nerve.

By looking at your number of posts, one can tell you don't realize what you did.

Just wait and you will see and understand.

BTW, I agree with you!

MEE

 

[jacob62]

Oh I know Ill get slapped or kicked out,but truth is truth whether or not "holy" people like it or not.Jesus wasn't easy on Pharasees either.Amen

 

[MEE]

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by jacob62:
Why not just say you do not believe the whole bible because you have mans wisdom and not Gods?Knowledge has puffed you up and caused blindness.Every thing you do not have faith for,you drive around it,claiming its"out of context".You might as well write a Baptist bible,then you could adjust it to fit your Baptist doctrine.Then on judgement day,God will ask,and Jesus will say:"Father,this one is out of context.Next."

This is a personal attack, and unwarranted. Because you cannot explain Scripture you resort to something so low as this. The last remaining "argument" of any person debating is to call names. That postion shows ignorance. I feel sorry for you. I will pray that God opens your eyes to the truth. Your post really ought to be deleted.
DHK

 

[jacob62]

Yeah,Jesus called the Pharasees vipers and serpents too,was his position ignorant? Then they deleted Him on the cross.

 

[DHK]

Jacob are you claiming to be Jesus??
Do you know my heart?
Do you know the hearts of all men as you suggest?

 

[av1611jim]

It never ceases to amaze me when people say "Jesus did such and so therefore it is ok for me."
News flash! You are NOT Jesus!

Jesus also walked on water. Do you? Jesus also had authority of God. Do you? Jesus also was God in the flesh. Are you?

To justify one's arrogance by comparing it to Jesus' authority is insane.

And to claim you are right based on that insanity is the epitome of self delusion.

"That's all ah've got ta say 'bout thayat"

In HIS service;
Jim

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by jacob62:
DHK,I pray the Holy Spirit will reveal it to you someday because that is how we get understanding,not by study but by revelation from God.Amen

This is gnosticism. You claim to have a higher revelation than the Word of God.
DHK

 

[tamborine lady]

DHK said:You are like the little old lady who sought to find God's will by making the Bible "apply to her" in a similar way. She prayed for God to show her His will through the Scriptures. So she closed her eyes, opened her Bible, and her finger landed on the verse:
Judas went out and hanged himself.
That didn't sound very good. So she thought she should try this again. She closed her eyes, opened her Bible, and her finger fell on the verse:
Go and do thou likewise.
Once more she tried: This time her finger fell upon the verse:
Whatsoever thou doest do quickly

I heard the story before, and as I recall, it was a little old man that did that! I guess it depends on who is telling it!!

Peace,

Tam

 

[DHK]

The question still remains the same Tam. Is that how you find God's will? Is that how you rightly divide the Word of God? Is that the proper way of "applying the Word of God" to yourself, as Jacob and yourself claim. After all, did you not say that all the word of God is applicable to us today?
DHK

 

[tamborine lady]

DHk said:There is no other revelation, but the revelation that is given to us in God's Word. That is why we study it. I trust that God will reveal the truth of God's Word to you as I have presented Scripture to you throughout this thread.
DHK

So that means you have all the right answers??

Selah,

Tam

 

[jacob62]

It is Jesus in me.Your posts reveal your heart friend.When you cannot accept that the things Jesus did,was for our example,for all time,that we are to imitate,it reveals a hard heart.I do not claim to be able to do every thing he did,YET,with His faith I will.I also have a hard heart on many things.The Holy Spirit will reveal things to us,and they will agree with scripture.If you think all denominations are going to come together one day,then that means some serious things are wrong with each,and will have to be recinded.Or,if you think all denominations will become Baptist,that is very prideful.Or,you think each denomination is an intregal part of the body,which is wrong for NONE can agree.Higher education brings pride,God raises the humble,and brings the prideful low."For although they knew God,they neither glorified him as God,nor gave thanks to him,but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened......

 

[music4Him]

No offence...but, I thought jacob was doing an alright job with exsplaining the scripture? As far as that goes Tam made some great points too. I had no problem understanding the scripture in the ways they presented it. I guess it just depends on how one wants to apply certian scripture in thier lives?

There have been times where I have seen how one scripture can be applied to differnt situations. I guess it just all in the way the Holy Spirit is working in your life at the time? Still this is a good debate all around because of the differences we can learn alot.

Good topic jacob62!

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:

DHk said:There is no other revelation, but the revelation that is given to us in God's Word. That is why we study it. I trust that God will reveal the truth of God's Word to you as I have presented Scripture to you throughout this thread.
DHK

So that means you have all the right answers??

Selah,

Tam

No, I never said that. The right answers must come through a study of God's Word, prayer, and a leading of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit illuminates our hearts and gives us an understanding of the Word of God, compared to the unsaved man who is "spiritually discerned." (1Cor.2:14).
Even Jesus said: "Ye do err not knowing the Scriptures neither the power of God."
Knowing the Scriptures is an essential to understanding. Claiming "revelation" outside the study of God's Word is mysticism and gnosticism. It is heresy. John wrote against it in his first epistle.
DHK

 

[jacob62]

As I read the bible,believing the death, burial,and resurrection of Christ,mixed with faith,the Holy Spirit leads me to understanding.Not a college curriculum decided by a board of directors, or a seven tape series sold on television. Acts 4:13 when they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus.

 

[av1611jim]

Yeah. So did Joseph Smith. He didn't "have no schooling neither".

"God told me..."

In HIS service;
Jim