Just saying that the source of your salvation theology is NOT found in the Bible, and sounds a lot like that "given" to others by Morani and other false revealtions!
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When were they Created in Christ ?
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Just saying that the source of your salvation theology is NOT found in the Bible, and sounds a lot like that "given" to others by Morani and other false revealtions!
savedbymercy
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When were they Created in Christ ? cont
Now in Prov 8:23 it reads:
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
This Entity called Wisdom, says I was set up, but when ? From Everlasting ! The word set up is revealing, it is the word nacak and means:
to pour out, pour, offer, cast
a) (Qal)
1) to pour out
2) to cast metal images
3) to anoint (a king)
b) (Niphal) to be anointed
He was Anointed, which is exactly what Christ means, the Anointed One
It also means pour out, or offer, libation : This is because He was to be pour out His Life unto God for a specific cause Isa 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
The words also denote that of making a Covenant because the ancients in making covenants were accustomed to pouring out libations ! So what we have here is Christ being set up as the Mediator and Surety of the Everlasting Covenant, Being installed as Prophet, Priest, and King, the Whole of His Mediatoral Offices as the Only Begotten Son of God. This is Him as the Firstborn of Every Creature in the Image of God His Father Col 1:15
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Heb 1:2-3
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Now, I believe we have the date given us when the Lord Jesus Christ was setup as the Mediator of the Church and also at this Time Believers in Christ were setup with Him, Chosen in Him, which are referenced in Prov 8:31
31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Those are the sons of men given Him in the Covenant of Grace, Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, Grace given them in Him before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
Again vs 25 of Prov 8 says He was begotten See LXX, Christ the Only Begotten Son, and at this Time future believers were created or begotten in Christ Jesus, for they had been Chosen in Him; In the same Like principle of having been created in time in Adam, for it was said of Adam Gen 5:1-2
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
When Adam was Created, in that One Man, also was Created His Bride and Posterity, in this He was a figure and Type of Christ, who had been Created or Begotten from Everlasting !
Now in Prov 8:23 it reads:
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
This Entity called Wisdom, says I was set up, but when ? From Everlasting ! The word set up is revealing, it is the word nacak and means:
to pour out, pour, offer, cast
a) (Qal)
1) to pour out
2) to cast metal images
3) to anoint (a king)
b) (Niphal) to be anointed
He was Anointed, which is exactly what Christ means, the Anointed One
It also means pour out, or offer, libation : This is because He was to be pour out His Life unto God for a specific cause Isa 53:12
Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
The words also denote that of making a Covenant because the ancients in making covenants were accustomed to pouring out libations ! So what we have here is Christ being set up as the Mediator and Surety of the Everlasting Covenant, Being installed as Prophet, Priest, and King, the Whole of His Mediatoral Offices as the Only Begotten Son of God. This is Him as the Firstborn of Every Creature in the Image of God His Father Col 1:15
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Heb 1:2-3
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Now, I believe we have the date given us when the Lord Jesus Christ was setup as the Mediator of the Church and also at this Time Believers in Christ were setup with Him, Chosen in Him, which are referenced in Prov 8:31
31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Those are the sons of men given Him in the Covenant of Grace, Chosen in Him before the foundation Eph 1:4, Grace given them in Him before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
Again vs 25 of Prov 8 says He was begotten See LXX, Christ the Only Begotten Son, and at this Time future believers were created or begotten in Christ Jesus, for they had been Chosen in Him; In the same Like principle of having been created in time in Adam, for it was said of Adam Gen 5:1-2
1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
When Adam was Created, in that One Man, also was Created His Bride and Posterity, in this He was a figure and Type of Christ, who had been Created or Begotten from Everlasting !
Gives us a break! You have slandered everyone that has disagreed with you. That charge from your mouth is like the kettle calling the pot black!
savedbymercy
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Deal with post 22 !
You are reading into this verse much more than it states. For example, Has God EVER been without wisdom? If so, then he was not God whenever he was without wisdom and therefore there is no God if God was ever without wisdom. The text explains itself - "FROM EVERLASTING" means that he never had any point of origin. He was annointed with Wisdom eternally!
To claim that "set up" refers to a point in eternity when God was without wisdom or The Son of God became the "Christ" (annointed) is absurd. His annointed office as Prophet, Preist and king is as eternal as the Purpose of God. Was there a point in eternity when God had no purpose? Silly thinking as he would not be God prior to that point - he would be mutable because there was change from unannointed to annoited from lack of wisdom to wisdom - silly!
In the eternal purpose of God he was the appointed heir AS A MAN who came into this world and redeemed back the creation of God from the ruin of sin, thus becoming its rightful owner AS A MAN. This right had been given to Adam AS A MAN but Adam failed and fell and lost his right as heir of creation - to rule over it.
Rediculous! There is no "TIME" in eternity and there is no "POINT" in eternity that God was without wisdom and wisdom had to be set up. The purpose of God is ETERNAL as God Himself and there is no POINT when God was without his Purpose! This is simply foolishness and stretching scripture to nonsensical oxymoronic limits.
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This is talking about PHYSICAL creation not SPIRITUAL creation! He did not create SOME of mankind in Adam but ALL die IN ADAM including the non-elect!
The "seed" of Satan refer to all those born with as "children of disobedience" and "children of wrath" with the same depraved nature as Satan and includes ALL OF FALLEN MANKIND IN ADAM and that is why SOME must be "born again" proving that SPIRITUAL CREATION has not occurred until new birth as clearly stated in Ephesians 2:10.
This is talking about PHYSICAL creation not SPIRITUAL creation! He did not create SOME of mankind in Adam but ALL die IN ADAM including the non-elect!
The "seed" of Satan refer to all those born with as "children of disobedience" and "children of wrath" with the same depraved nature as Satan and includes ALL OF FALLEN MANKIND IN ADAM and that is why SOME must be "born again" proving that SPIRITUAL CREATION has not occurred until new birth as clearly stated in Ephesians 2:10.[/QUOTE]
If you have the truth then there are others who believe it too and have stood for it. We should find this defended in articles of faith, confessions of faith, by current churches and denominations.
Where can you point to anyone who believes the position you are trying to pawn off on us??? Even the superlapsarian position only contends for a "creatable people" but never goes as far to claim they were actually created in Christ Jesus at some point in eternity past.
savedbymercy
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2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
God Created all things by Jesus Christ Eph 3:9
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
In Prove 8 :22
22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
The LXX has it more precise :
The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works.
In other words, He was the Firstborn of Creation as mediator in order to be the medium by which God would make the World, that is what Eph 3:9 points out. Christ's Mediatoral Office was also to be the medium of Creation, and as Mediator He was the Man Christ Jesus 1 Tim 2:5, but not in Flesh and Blood form. So you continue to manifest your ignorance of the True Christ !
Their New birth in time also proves that they because of Christ's Death for them they were entitled to Life, Spiritual Life, so its called Justification of Life Rom 5:18
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Justification is a Legal Term and Life is a principal of Life they have communicated to them because of their Justification, that Life is New Birth, a Life they had preserved in God the Word Christ Jesus Jn 1:4,14
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
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No I am not,I am amplifying what it means !
Who said that ?
Nobody said God was without wisdom. And to point out that Christ was begotten as Mediator before the world began is scriptural, Christ is God's Only Begotten Son. Christ's Deity was not Begotten, for it ever eternally existed. Now I bet you believe that Christ's Deity was begotten or derived from the Father before the world began, don't you ?
The Mediator Man Christ was a Man before Creation, He was Heir as He made the World or the ages Heb 1:2
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
God Created all things by Jesus Christ Eph 3:9
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
In Prove 8 :22
22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
The LXX has it more precise :
The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works.
In other words, He was the Firstborn of Creation as mediator in order to be the medium by which God would make the World, that is what Eph 3:9 points out. Christ's Mediatoral Office was also to be the medium of Creation, and as Mediator He was the Man Christ Jesus 1 Tim 2:5, but not in Flesh and Blood form. So you continue to manifest your ignorance of the True Christ !
[edited] however the scripture states I was set up from everlasting, no specific date as to time as how we know it !
[edited] who said God was without a Purpose at sometime ?
[edited] when God Created Adam, but nevertheless, Adam was Created in the Image of the God Man Mediator Christ Jesus.
No He did not, God Created the Church in Adam, after the Image of Christ, but only in their Natural Lives, the seed of the serpent was never created in the Image of God, thats Blasphemy ! To ever refer to God's Image as having the Devil as it;s Father Jn 8:44 is utter Blasphemy. Jesus refers to the Devil as a Father [Spiritually] this gives us to know that The devil had his seed created in him as did adam. Thats why he was a Father in the beginning Jn 8:44 and gen 3:15.
More Blasphemy and Lies. The Elect being born as sinners and as Children of wrath by Nature, makes them Vessels of Mercy, for all their sins and iniquities have been Charged to Christ, however, the seed of the serpents being born sinners makes them vessels of wrath and are being fitted for destruction. There is not even no comparison.
Some are born Again to manifest their seed existence that they had in Christ, Just as they were born naturally to manifest their seed existence in Adam. Their seed existence in Christ was before the foundation of the World, ever since Christ was Created or Begotten as Mediator. And since there is no actual time in Eternity, we can only say that this generation of the Mediatoral Manhood of Christ with His Seed in Him to place from Everlasting !
Their New birth in time also proves that they because of Christ's Death for them they were entitled to Life, Spiritual Life, so its called Justification of Life Rom 5:18
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Justification is a Legal Term and Life is a principal of Life they have communicated to them because of their Justification, that Life is New Birth, a Life they had preserved in God the Word Christ Jesus Jn 1:4,14
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
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