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When will the CDC correct its COVID death counts, as Italy just did?

carpro

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KenH said:
Of course you will take up for him. He's your fellow right-wing comrade on this board. However, the moderators are supposed to be impartial. And I trust them to be so.
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Moderators will not indulge your fantasies.
 
nonaeroterraqueous

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"In line with the directions issued by the Ministry of Health in its circular published on February 2020 (protocol 0005889-25/02/2020), all certification recording COVID-19 as the cause of death shall be accompanied by an opinion of the Istituto Superiore di Sanità (ISS). A working group has therefore been created to study the cause of death of patients who had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2."

Characteristics of COVID-19 patients dying in Italy

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Gold Dragon

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nonaeroterraqueous said:
"In line with the directions issued by the Ministry of Health in its circular published on February 2020 (protocol 0005889-25/02/2020), all certification recording COVID-19 as the cause of death shall be accompanied by an opinion of the Istituto Superiore di Sanità (ISS). A working group has therefore been created to study the cause of death of patients who had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2."

Characteristics of COVID-19 patients dying in Italy

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Thanks. This report confirms that the OP’s post is a (snip) (misinformation). The number of deaths remains at 130,000.

The present report describes the characteristics of 130,468 SARS-CoV-2 patients dying in Italy from the beginning of the surveillance to the 5th October 2021, as reported by the Integrated Covid-19 Surveillance System coordinated by the National Institute of Health-ISS.
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nonaeroterraqueous said:
"In line with the directions issued by the Ministry of Health in its circular published on February 2020 (protocol 0005889-25/02/2020), all certification recording COVID-19 as the cause of death shall be accompanied by an opinion of the Istituto Superiore di Sanità (ISS). A working group has therefore been created to study the cause of death of patients who had tested positive for SARS-CoV-2."

Characteristics of COVID-19 patients dying in Italy

SNIP
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Yep, that's the link that leads to the actual report. Here it is in English:
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/en/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_5_october_2021.pdf

The real scholars :Wink will want to see the report in Italian, so here's that as well:
https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_5_ottobre_2021.pdf
 
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I think some revision is called for.

The latest figures from the CDC are that 757.6K Americans have died of covid. Seroprevalence studies have yielded a total world wide infection fatality rate of 0.25-0.3%. ( Infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data )

Applying that to the official tally yields a total number of of 252.5 million infections in the U.S. with 251.7 million surviving. That's 76% of the population with immunity. Much more than enough to achieve herd immunity, according to Fauci's brush with honesty.

But there's more:

We have long had evidence, increasing over the span of the pandemic, that many of us who get exposed to SARS-CoV-2 simply do not get infected with it. The reason is apparently native resistance to this germ, resulting from prior exposure to related germs, namely common cold coronaviruses (CCCs). Published data on this topic suggest that up to 90% of us may have prior, native resistance - of one degree or another- to the COVID19 pathogen.

This does not change the “infection” fatality rate, or IFR- because exposure without infection does not change the numbers of us infected. But it does invite us to generate a closely related parameter of my own devising: the MEFR, or “meaningful exposure fatality rate.” It does matter, obviously, to all of our projections about COVID-related risk, if say, half of us exposed in fairly ordinary ways confront this virus with a brisk immune response that simply repels the infection before it occurs. This is much the same as asymptomatic infection, but one incremental step better still.

The population range of values for this native resistance I have been able to glean by canvassing a wide array of sources is roughly 30% to 80%.​

If 30% of those with meaningful exposure to covid don't get infected, and if the death tally is accurate, that raises the total number of Americans who've been through the pandemic, and who have immunity, to 360.7 million. That's more than the total population of the U.S.

I think the Ioannidis and Katz studies are reliable. I think the CDC is lying.
 
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Aaron said:
I think some revision is called for.

The latest figures from the CDC are that 757.6K Americans have died of covid. Seroprevalence studies have yielded a total world wide infection fatality rate of 0.25-0.3%. ( Infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data )

Applying that to the official tally yields a total number of of 252.5 million infections in the U.S. with 251.7 million surviving. That's 76% of the population with immunity. Much more than enough to achieve herd immunity, according to Fauci's brush with honesty.

But there's more:

We have long had evidence, increasing over the span of the pandemic, that many of us who get exposed to SARS-CoV-2 simply do not get infected with it. The reason is apparently native resistance to this germ, resulting from prior exposure to related germs, namely common cold coronaviruses (CCCs). Published data on this topic suggest that up to 90% of us may have prior, native resistance - of one degree or another- to the COVID19 pathogen.

This does not change the “infection” fatality rate, or IFR- because exposure without infection does not change the numbers of us infected. But it does invite us to generate a closely related parameter of my own devising: the MEFR, or “meaningful exposure fatality rate.” It does matter, obviously, to all of our projections about COVID-related risk, if say, half of us exposed in fairly ordinary ways confront this virus with a brisk immune response that simply repels the infection before it occurs. This is much the same as asymptomatic infection, but one incremental step better still.

The population range of values for this native resistance I have been able to glean by canvassing a wide array of sources is roughly 30% to 80%.​

If 30% of those with meaningful exposure to covid don't get infected, and if the death tally is accurate, that raises the total number of Americans who've been through the pandemic, and who have immunity, to 360.7 million. That's more than the total population of the U.S.

I think the Ioannidis and Katz studies are reliable. I think the CDC is lying.
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Failed to cite the quote about native immunity due to common cold corona viruses. Math: The (pen)Ultimate Pandemic Reality Check
 
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